Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

[JuanBolio]

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

Doesn't look that bad, to me, really:

For the most part, I still prefer the original, but this new Enterprise is actually pretty slick. If this had been the original model they used in TOS, and the old ship were the new one, would you still think it was a better design?

That's like asking if my aunt had balls, would she be my uncle? It's nonsense.

Not really - I think you're simply biased toward the original simply because it is the original. You like the design, you've obviously spent a lot of time and effort studying it and attempting to flesh it out, and now they're going with something different. Taken in and of itself, there's not a damn thing wrong with this design.

 

[Mordock]

Look at the shot from the trailer of Kirk looking up at the ship being constructed. YOu can spot a few people walking around on scaffolding.

Yes, it's a lot bigger.

I don't know; is the relative scale of the Enterprise necessarily accurate? Not that it matters, but was the E scaled to the approximate size of a similar edifice, or did they wing it? Moreover, what about the crew complement? If the Official Making Of comes out and says there are 700 people aboard, won't expectations have to be adjusted upward?

 

[Mordock]

If the early American settlers had to fight dinosaurs would they win if the Man from U.N.C.L.E. went back in time to help them?

Not if the dinosaurs had artificially enhanced intelligence, because then they could set cunning traps. Good luck getting Napoleon Solo to defend your homestead if he's drowning in a pit filled with Diplodicus shit...

 

[Franklin]

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

Doesn't look that bad, to me, really:

For the most part, I still prefer the original, but this new Enterprise is actually pretty slick. If this had been the original model they used in TOS, and the old ship were the new one, would you still think it was a better design?

To me, the comparison point has been the refit Enterprise. The new version is growing on me, and I actually think it's going to be better on the big screen than the original design would be. But is it a better design than the refit? To me? Eh. And the elements of retro-fitting a TNG look (the neck more seamlessly fitting in with the hulls) is a bit of a retcon that creates continuity that wasn't and doesn't have to be there.

But a parody? Not by the definition of the word as I know it. Not by a long shot.

 

[btflash]

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

You can keep saying that, but it won't make people agree with you.

i agree with him!

 

[btflash]

If the early American settlers had to fight dinosaurs would they win if the Man from U.N.C.L.E. went back in time to help them?

Not if the dinosaurs had artificially enhanced intelligence, because then they could set cunning traps. Good luck getting Napoleon Solo to defend your homestead if he's drowning in a pit filled with Diplodicus shit...

would that be an african or european dipodicus?

 

[jamestyler]

I like the new ship alot, with just one exception - the arched nacelle struts.

In a way it?s kinda cool and very retro - in that in profile view the ship seems to have straight up and down struts much like the originals, and unlike the TMP refit?s very slanted struts.

However, front-on the curvature puts me off a bit.

Thats the one thing I'm not keen on. From the front view the nacelles seem too close together and might look nicer if they were at a different angle.

But overall the ship looks great. A nice amount of retro witha nice amount of newness. It's exactly what the film needs to make the retro look credible and with a casual fan investing time in.

Plus that construction shot.. it just looks amazing.

 

[judexavier]

Well, I'm wondering, from what we know now, could you use the people in the first trailer to get some sort of scale? (I'm thinking that shot from the rear of the nacelle, between the fins...many welders and workers in the shot). Maybe you 3D guys could render a similar shot with a scaled poser figure?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I like the new ship alot, with just one exception - the arched nacelle struts.

In a way it?s kinda cool and very retro - in that in profile view the ship seems to have straight up and down struts much like the originals, and unlike the TMP refit?s very slanted struts.

However, front-on the curvature puts me off a bit.

Thats the one thing I'm not keen on. From the front view the nacelles seem too close together and might look nicer if they were at a different angle.

Actually, I'm not fond of the nacelle struts but for a different reason.

They don't look too close together at all, to me. However, they attach way too close to the front of the nacelles - it looks a little silly.

Church improved on the original TOS design considerably where the interconnecting hull is concerned - Jefferies' design had the whole engineering hull dangling off the rear of the interconnect and this wasn't really corrected until the 1701-D.

Having fixed that, Church went the other direction with the pylons and now has the engines perched way back on them in an unbalanced fashion.

He should have stuck with the swept-back pylons from the TMP refit, attaching to the nacelles at a point further back.

 

[EJD1984]

From the looks of it, the saucer has a larger diameter, while the engineering hull looks to be somewhat smaller. So I personally believe that that if you take into account interior usable volume (ignoring the warp nacelles), it seems to be a wash.

 

[jamestyler]

Actually, I'm not fond of the nacelle struts but for a different reason.

They don't look too close together at all, to me. However, they attach way too close to the front of the nacelles - it looks a little silly.

Now that you've said that... it's bugging me too

I don't mind where it connects to the nacelles fron the side, but from the top I could see it bugging me. But the overall package looks pretty good. Theres always something about a design which bugs me and there's never anything I like completely.

Oddly enough it was a shot of the toy that really sold me. Especially as the neck doesn't seem as flimsy.

 

[Gepard]

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

You can keep saying that, but it won't make people agree with you.

i agree with him!

Yeah, but you already agreed with him, so my point stands.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You can keep saying that, but it won't make people agree with you.

i agree with him!

Good - if you want to keep score then it's only running about six-to-one against you.

 

[ancient]

I think the engine hull is about the same size as the original, but the saucer will be much larger, as will the nacelles and neck.

 

[RAMA]

I think we're talking something on this order...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/CaptApril/Comparisonfinal.jpg

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

I think that looks pretty good.

This is a parody of the Enterprise...

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Steam Trek.jpg

Anyone else have pics of good parody examples?

-=MadMan=-

I honestly can't see why people don't think the enw ship is better...wow, sleek.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I think we're talking something on this order...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/CaptApril/Comparisonfinal.jpg

Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

I think that looks pretty good.

This is a parody of the Enterprise...

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Steam Trek.jpg

Anyone else have pics of good parody examples?

-=MadMan=-

I honestly can't see why people don't think the enw ship is better...wow, sleek.

It is an improvement in many ways, isn't it?

 

[SalvorHardin]

I think that looks pretty good.

This is a parody of the Enterprise...

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Steam Trek.jpg

Anyone else have pics of good parody examples?

-=MadMan=-

I honestly can't see why people don't think the enw ship is better...wow, sleek.

It is an improvement in many ways, isn't it?

Yeap.

And I can still find place in my heart for the old designs and the new one.
It doesn't have to be a contest or an "either/or" situation.

 

[Irishman]

It's probably going to be about 2x the size of the TOS E.

What am I going from?

2 things:

1) the size of the interior bridge set is more like the size of the TNG bridge (which was close to twice the size of the TOS bridge), but doesn't look much bigger on the outside.

2) the hangar deck is long and fricking TALL!! Far too tall to fit into a 937-1080 odd feet of Starship.

 

[trekkerguy]

It's probably going to be about 2x the size of the TOS E.

What am I going from?

2 things:

1) the size of the interior bridge set is more like the size of the TNG bridge
(which was close to twice the size of the TOS bridge), but doesn't look much bigger on the outside.

2) the hangar deck is long and fricking TALL!! Far too tall to fit into a 937-1080 odd feet of Starship.

I think people severely underestimate just how big the TOS Enterprise would be in real life.

Anyone ever seen an Aircraft carrier? Now think Enterprise.

 

[Canadave]

The same argument can be used against those who say its bigger.

Don't get it. We haven't seen anything to suggest its significantly larger or smaller, yet some people insist its been scaled-up to star destroyer size.

It's not so much that we want the star destroyer ENTERPRISE, so much as we would like to see a ship with more space! I mean I've allways been botherd by the fact that you have 500 crew men on board a flying tin-can( No Offense ) for 5 YEARS! and NO ONE GOES STIR-CRAZY!!! I mean something the size of the Excelsior seams more resonable and realistic.

If anything, I think the Enterprise crew is too small for its size. To put things in comparison, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is 340 metres long and displaces about 100,000 tons with a full load. A Constitution-class ship, on the other hand, is about 280 metres long and has a mass of greater than 1,000,000 tons, supposedly.

The crew complement? 432 on a Connie, and 5500 on a Nimitz.