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Will Pine be commanding as Captain as Shatner was? (Eg Space Seed)

^ It's been pointed out before and is worth pointing out again that Jean Luc Picard has a remarkably similar background to Kirk in this regard, the self-described skirt-chasing brat who challenged three surly Nausicans to a bar fight just because they cheated in a board game. We got to see Picard in his old age after four decades of service to Starfleet, which included what seems to be an unusually strenuous tour of duty on the Stargazer. But the Lieutenant Picard who still had some maturing to do and some experience to earn was, I suspect, not totally unlike the raw Lieutenant Kirk who wound up in command of the Enterprise.

It's WAY too early in Kirk's career for him to act like a seasoned old veteran, so we can even less expect him to command all the respect of an older commander. As far as the rest of Starfleet is concerned he's a cocky young upstart who got lucky once but who the hell does he think he is anyway. But as far as his own crew is concerned, think about this: they all came up together, they all trained together, they all joined the fleet together. Kirk's command, in this case, isn't based on a sense of command or authority, but on the admiration of his peers who have seen him in action firsthand. You have to think that a seasoned commander earns the respect of his crew just by the fact that he is seasoned and holds the Captain's rank and the implications of that are huge; NuKirk was just another classmate of theirs who was notable for occasionally pulling academic rabbits out of his hat. He had to put his balls on the line to earn their respect, and his command of the Enterprise was forged in the fires of battle first and foremost.

That's a totally new dynamic for the Enterprise crew, one we've arguably never seen before. While it is certain to evolve into something more familiar over time, right now we're not seeing the "master and commander" Kirk so much as the "Ace Pilot and Squad Leader" Kirk. He may not be as commanding as Shatner, but he doesn't have to be: in this universe it's not his authority that they respect, its his abilities.
 
"Space Seed" came on TV the other day. I was impressed by Shatner's performance opposite Montobaun (spelling?), and the amount of command presence Shatner brought to the character, and it made me wonder if Pine would be able to exhibit that same presence in those scenes... I don't picture his version of Kirk referencing Milton and the Botany Bay reference the way Shatner's Kirk did. I am very curious to see Pine's performance in Star Trek 2, to see if he can pull off the same command presence in the centre seat, now that he's "THE captain". I really like the new cast, and liked Pine as an "untried, brash cadet Kirk", but am curious to see how he delivers "Captain Kirk" to the audience.

Shatner's Kirk had 7-10 more years of starfleet experience compared to Pine's Kirk when he was promoted to Captain.
In the original timeline Kirk didn't become Captain as quickly and was much more "seasoned" when he did, so it would be difficult to compare due to the extremely different set of circumstances in each timeline.
 
I don't know- I really don't mind Pine as Kirk. And I certainly am not a Shatner fanatic (a lot of his acting is over the top, though a lot is also very well done), but Shatner has a deeper voice and his presence is inherently more commanding then Pine.

Can Pine "act" in a way that makes him seem less like a kid and more like a man? I don't know, but I can say for sure that I haven't seen it yet. His style, like Shatner's, is very singular to date, and they are both completely different people.

We'll see how he does in the next movie- though I suspect the lovers will love no matter what, as the haters will hate.

I will stand my ground in the middle and just hope for a good movie at the very least and refrain from comparing two totally different universes acted by completely different performers and directed by people with completely different vissions.

Hell- even the Enterprise acted differently.
 
I have no doubt that Pine has the capacity to act 'commanding'. He certainly had several moments of self assurance throughout the first film, and I wouldn't necessarily discount his 'sense of urgency' displayed at the black hole scene. It was appropriate, IMO, given the circumstance. To see if his command presence is developed, though, we're going to have to see where Abrams and Co. take us for the next ride. The first film did a great job of bringing people of all stripes back into the ST world. It certainly needed the injection of a younger audience to remain viable as a franchise. This next film will have to do the same if the ball is to continue to keep rolling. I just hope it isn't all through cheap tricks and eye candy. As well as a terrific story, character development is certainly one thing I am also looking for.
 
^ And it had an affair with the USS Kelvin during the making of the movie. When they fell out, apparently there was such a bad feeling on set.
 
The trouble started because it was seeing the Narada on the side.

You know what they say, once you go Romulan...
 
Patrickivan said:
Hell- even the Enterprise acted differently.

I hear that new Enterprise is such a prima donna.

^ And it had an affair with the USS Kelvin during the making of the movie. When they fell out, apparently there was such a bad feeling on set.

But did you see their baby? Beautiful little gaffer. 2 forward photorp launchers. Full PHASER spread. And those nacelles!!! What nacelles!!!

She's already crawling at Warp Factor 2! <sniffle>
 
I just took a peek at the slashy GUSHING K/S love thread :rommie: and Pine says something very revealing in an interview (not slashy, don't worry): in effect, his character is using bravado to mask insecurity and fear about living up to the standard set by his dead Starfleet hero dad.

Well, that gives a pretty good entry for the next film where the character needs to go: strip away the bravado, reveal the true Kirk, add some gravitas and sincerity to the character, and that's all he really needs to be "commanding" and fulfill his self-image of a live Starfleet hero.

I'm pretty sure Abrams has Kirk's arc planned out and we don't need to worry about it. It all seems pretty well mapped out, with huge hints being left already.

So, um, where's this "slashy/gushy" thread located, pray tell :p

I saw some command presence in Pine's Kirk in ST09. I'm sure they'll inject more of the stuff in ST10.

And, yes, no way I'm calling it STII. STII remains TWOK in my house.
 
I just took a peek at the slashy GUSHING K/S love thread :rommie: and Pine says something very revealing in an interview (not slashy, don't worry): in effect, his character is using bravado to mask insecurity and fear about living up to the standard set by his dead Starfleet hero dad.

Well, that gives a pretty good entry for the next film where the character needs to go: strip away the bravado, reveal the true Kirk, add some gravitas and sincerity to the character, and that's all he really needs to be "commanding" and fulfill his self-image of a live Starfleet hero.

I'm pretty sure Abrams has Kirk's arc planned out and we don't need to worry about it. It all seems pretty well mapped out, with huge hints being left already.

So, um, where's this "slashy/gushy" thread located, pray tell :p

I saw some command presence in Pine's Kirk in ST09. I'm sure they'll inject more of the stuff in ST10.

And, yes, no way I'm calling it STII. STII remains TWOK in my house.
The slashy/Gushy thread is right in this sub-Forum. "Because You Needed Each Other..."
 
I saw some command presence in Pine's Kirk in ST09. I'm sure they'll inject more of the stuff in ST10.

And, yes, no way I'm calling it STII. STII remains TWOK in my house.

If you're calling the previous film ST09, that would imply you're numbering it by year of release. That would make the next film ST13.
 
The official working title is "Star Trek 2", but that's not what it'll really be called.

How about "Red Trees, Benadict Cumberbatch, a Space Barge and a Volcano Suit: A Star Trek Adventure"
 
The official working title is "Star Trek 2", but that's not what it'll really be called.

How about "Red Trees, Benadict Cumberbatch, a Space Barge and a Volcano Suit: A Star Trek Adventure"

Of course, but I'm not talking about the name. I'm talking about what WE will call it in terms of the number.

It'll never be Star Trek 2 to me. Star Trek 2 was TWOK. I guess it'll be ST12 to me.
 
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