Will Jaylah Replace Chekov?

[F. King Daniel]

Altered pasts?

The Encyclopedia says the effects of Nero's incursion rippled backwards in time as well as forwards from 2233.04 - thus presumably explaining why the NX-01 crew never mentioned the Franklin, or why Khan's British or why San Francisco is much more heavily built up than in The Motion Picture.

 

[Ovation]

Ah. Is this encyclopedia online?

 

[Nyotarules]

The Encyclopedia says the effects of Nero's incursion rippled backwards in time as well as forwards from 2233.04 - thus presumably explaining why the NX-01 crew never mentioned the Franklin, or why Khan's British or why San Francisco is much more heavily built up than in The Motion Picture.

I thought Khan was given a facelift, as for accents the original Khan sounded as Indian as Captain Kirk.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Ah. Is this encyclopedia online?

I'm afraid not. It's a pricey 2-volume affair.

I thought Khan was given a facelift, as for accents the original Khan sounded as Indian as Captain Kirk.

That's according to the IDW comics, which were written specifically to address the discontinuity.

And you're right, the original Khan was an Indian Sikh as imagined by people who knew very little about Indians or Sikhs (i.e. if Khan were a Sikh as claimed in "Space Seed", he'd have a beard and turban)

 

[Tenacity]

if Khan were a Sikh as claimed in "Space Seed", he'd have a beard and turban

Assuming that McGivers knew what she was talking about when she said he was a Sikh.

People are sometimes wrong on the show.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Assuming that McGivers knew what she was talking about when she said he was a Sikh.

People are sometimes wrong on the show.

This is true. But most subsequent media (novels, mostly) have decided Khan was a Sikh, despite him very blatantly not being one.


Here's that Encyclopedia entry on the Kelvin Timeline:

 

[Jeyl]

The Encyclopedia says the effects of Nero's incursion rippled backwards in time as well as forwards from 2233.04 - thus presumably explaining why the NX-01 crew never mentioned the Franklin, or why Khan's British or why San Francisco is much more heavily built up than in The Motion Picture.

Problem. Spock Prime speaks of these 'altered past events' as though they happened the same way in his Prime Universe. When NuSpock confronts NuKhan with knew knowledge on who he really is, he calls him out on how his whole purpose waste commit mass-genocide of any being he deemed to be less than superior. That wasn't how the original Khan was handled at all.

 

[Ovation]

I thought Khan was given a facelift, as for accents the original Khan sounded as Indian as Captain Kirk.

When he says "John Harrison is a fiction created by Admiral Marcus", cosmetic surgery just seems a logical assumption as part of his different appearance (it doesn't need to be spoon fed to viewers).

 

[F. King Daniel]

Problem. Spock Prime speaks of these 'altered past events' as though they happened the same way in his Prime Universe. When NuSpock confronts NuKhan with knew knowledge on who he really is, he calls him out on how his whole purpose waste commit mass-genocide of any being he deemed to be less than superior. That wasn't how the original Khan was handled at all.

Young Spock may have Googled Khan himself after his conversation with Spock Prime, and be speaking of what his timeline's Khan attempted.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure that's a reference to Khan's final plan in Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars novels - the details of which only became known to Spock after the events of "Space Seed"

 

[johnar]

A field commission would be more believable than sending her back to the Academy. IMO.

I don't know about "replacing" Checkov. In the words of Valeris: "I can only succeed you, sir."

 

[Morpheus 02]

A field commission would be more believable than sending her back to the Academy. IMO.

I don't know about "replacing" Checkov. In the words of Valeris: "I can only succeed you, sir."

MM.. maybe for movie Trek. But if it takes place 4 years later, Jaylah could be a brand new Ensign welcomed aboard the Enterprise embarking on a new 5 year mission....

 

[mos6507]

I thought Khan was given a facelift, as for accents the original Khan sounded as Indian as Captain Kirk.

Or as French as Captain Picard? That's Trek for you.

 

[FormerLurker]

if Khan were a Sikh as claimed in "Space Seed", he'd have a beard and turban

Assuming that McGivers knew what she was talking about when she said he was a Sikh.

People are sometimes wrong on the show.

McGivers knew exactly who he was the moment she laid eyes on him. After all, she had been painting him (with a turban, by the way). As has been said here before, he was probably a non-practicing Sikh, if there is such a thing, or a Sikh-by-birth that didn't follow the Sikh religion. Although he could have even been a practicing Sikh that was so full of himself that he shaved to say "I will do what I want, I'm the King of the World!"

 

[Nyotarules]

MM.. maybe for movie Trek. But if it takes place 4 years later, Jaylah could be a brand new Ensign welcomed aboard the Enterprise embarking on a new 5 year mission....

Or she could be the new Captain lol

 

[Malaika]

Having Jaylah as a bridge crew would give Uhura a new confidant as well as creating inter personal drama between Scottie and Jaylah just like the drama between Spock and McCoy exists.

Drama?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Encyclopedia says the effects of Nero's incursion rippled backwards in time as well as forwards from 2233.04 - thus presumably explaining why the NX-01 crew never mentioned the Franklin, or why Khan's British or why San Francisco is much more heavily built up than in The Motion Picture.

Just because the Encyclopedia says it, doesn't mean the novels have to. And I hope they don't.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm torn. I love Jaylah as a character but it's kind of like how I love Wolverine but I hate the way he stole the xmen movie franchise out from under all the other great characters. If she were treated in the same way as Chekov, as part of the supporting ensemble, then maybe, but if she robs, Uhura, Sulu, and Scotty of too much air time, then maybe not.

 

[Tarek71]

Just because the Encyclopedia says it, doesn't mean the novels have to. And I hope they don't.

When I saw ST:B, I assumed that due to its higher registry number, that Franklin came after Enterprise and Scotty meant to say that Franklin was the first Earth Starfleet ship with a Warp 6 engine, not 4.

Or... just say that like the Mirror Universe, this already was an alternate reality before Nero arrived. He just changed an already different universe. But just like DiscoTrek, it would have been easier to just say it is a fresh, reboot, reimagined universe and then you don't have to worry about any of that, rather than tie it to "Prime" for the sake of a Leonard Nimoy cameo.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

When he says "John Harrison is a fiction created by Admiral Marcus", cosmetic surgery just seems a logical assumption as part of his different appearance (it doesn't need to be spoon fed to viewers).

Said surgery was also done to disguise him because he's (most likely) still a wanted war criminal (there would be no statue of limitations on what Khan or his fellow Augments did in the past.)

A field commission would be more believable than sending her back to the Academy. IMO.

I don't know about "replacing" Chekov. In the words of Valeris: "I can only succeed you, sir."

But the producers are going to replace him with another character, because they've made it clear that the character has died with the actor. Casting Jaylah as his replacement is a great idea.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or... just say that like the Mirror Universe, this already was an alternate reality before Nero arrived. He just changed an already different universe.

I would have absolutely no problem with that. It surely makes more logical sense than somehow a time change rippling backward into the past.