Will Before Dishonors Ending Affect Voyager books? Spoilers!

[ShinRa Actual]

I don't think that Star Trek sales were hurt overmuch by Janeway's death, and nor do I think they were increased much.

I agree. However, technically, it is still too early to say.

Really? Technically, how long does it take for the Rabid Janeway Fandom Effect to be observable?

Probably the sales figures of the first actual Voyager book to include (or is it disclude?) a dead Janeway, who'll essentially have died 'offscreen', in the book for another series. Nothing's been published where people would really expect Janeway to be there yet, I don't think.

I got nothing against killing off characters for some good story. I don't even have anything against killing off Janeway. But doing it in a Voyager book might've been a bit better...Really, would the general premise and storyline for BD have not worked with Voyager instead of the -E? The only really story-mandated TNG character was Picard, and it couldn't have been that hard to get him on Voyager somehow. The quasi-mutiny could've been done pretty much down the same lines on Voyager; new crew vs old crew. -shrug- Not saying the characters are interchangable, but I think the basic premise would've worked just as well on another ship, and at that point if you know you're killing off Janeway, at least get some Voyager crew involved in the story.

Beyond that, the Lady Q epilogue is just too distracting, at best, if Janeway's meant to be dead and mourned. It's hard for some of us to take the death serious with that tacked on the end; To take the comic book examples that've cropped up, even the long-standing 'permanently' dead comic icons have come back in recent years; Barry Allen (Flash), Bucky (Captain America's sidekick), Jason Tood (the Dead Robin)...

 

[LightningStorm]

I don't think that Star Trek sales were hurt overmuch by Janeway's death, and nor do I think they were increased much.

I agree. However, technically, it is still too early to say.

Really? Technically, how long does it take for the Rabid Janeway Fandom Effect to be observable?

At least until the next book comes out. Which as ShinRa Actual pointed out, the next Voyager one hasn't. And the next TNG one (Greater Than the Sum) only just came out and the sales figures thus far wouldn't indicate anything.

Plus, it's not the fan reaction to Janeway's death in general that I was responding to, it was the increase or decrease in sales figures based on that event. Which is too early to observe.

The Rabid Janeway Fandom Effect, as evidenced here, can be observed at some level immediately upon its occurrence.

 

[Dayton Ward]

I agree. However, technically, it is still too early to say.

Really? Technically, how long does it take for the Rabid Janeway Fandom Effect to be observable?

Probably the sales figures of the first actual Voyager book to include (or is it disclude?) a dead Janeway, who'll essentially have died 'offscreen', in the book for another series. Nothing's been published where people would really expect Janeway to be there yet, I don't think.

Unless I've misunderstood what's been reported, Full Circle will cover ground from the Spirit Walk duology to a point commensurate with (or just past) the ending of Destiny. It therefore stands to reason that Janeway will factor to some extent in that novel, and the relevant events of Before Dishonor, particularly from the POVs of other VGR characters, will be points of focus, rather than simply throwing VGR readers into the deep end without warning.

I emphasize that I'm not in the loop with respect to anything Destiny-related, so I'm just going off what I've read here and elsewhere. Take that as you will.

 

[ShinRa Actual]

Depends on how Full Circle handles the time and circumstances around the actual death. If it's like other multi-year books (Articles was a single year, but did a lot of jumping around, for example.) where it'll suddenly skip from Janeway being alive to a week or two after BD with people randomly saying "Wow, Janeway's dead", you'll likely end up with a few confused (If they haven't read BD) and irritated Voyager/Janeway fans. I'd hope (and expect :P) Ms. Beyer to handle the issue with a better, more natural/integrated approach, however.

Speculating much doesn't seem too prudent tho, and I'm content to wait for the book and see the actual results. But Full Circle (Or maybe the next book, since Janeway will be around for this one) is when the 'rabid fandom effect' would be noticable if it's going to be relevant, I'd think.

 

[Dayton Ward]

Speculating much doesn't seem too prudent tho, and I'm content to wait for the book and see the actual results.

What...are you new to the internet or something?

 

[ShinRa Actual]

Speculating much doesn't seem too prudent tho, and I'm content to wait for the book and see the actual results.

What...are you new to the internet or something?

Nope, just a frequently disappointed idealist. :P

 

[Johnhead99]

There is no way Kirsten Beyer is going to fail with Full Circle. It just won't happen. Want to hear why?

1) Her String Theory Book was amazing. Fusion was hands down the best of the 3 books.

2) She is taking over for Christie Golden. And I liked the way she had worked the re-launch and left it in a good place for anyone to pick up.

3) While I think Golden was great, many others do not. Those believe there is no where to go but up.

4) The book couldn't be more overdue. It will be about 3 years since the last book. 5 years since the last book taking place after the series.

5) I'll buy the book first day it is out. If I read it, and it's not any good, who cares, they will already have my money. And, it never really matters what kind of review it gets. If it says Star Trek on it, count me in. Here's my money. Take it please. Just keep producing some fiction for me to read.

 

[JWolf]

Pocket could pull a Dallas and two years later, we find Janway taking a shower not dead and none of the two years actually happened. Pocket then goes on to say that the books published in those two years are from yet another mirror universe where Janeway really was killed.

 

[Trent Roman]

I would have no objections to having Before Dishonor decanonized. No, wait, not canon. Defrocked?

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[ClayinCA]

I don't think I'd go that far...I mean, if I have to put up with "Spock's Brain," "And the Children Shall Lead," Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis, and all of Voyager and Enterprise being canonical, I can certainly deal with Before Dishonor...

 

[LightningStorm]

I'd prefer a resurrection to a reset button in regards to Before Dishonor. Although I too think it was pretty bad, I think having it wiped from history would do a disservice to the line in general.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think having it wiped from history would do a disservice to the line in general.

I agree and wish someone had told this Joe Quesada over at Marvel Comics...

 

[BryanSorensen]

Pocket could pull a Dallas and two years later, we find Janway taking a shower not dead and none of the two years actually happened. Pocket then goes on to say that the books published in those two years are from yet another mirror universe where Janeway really was killed.

So who would be the one that had the dream, wakes up in bed and goes in to see janeway in the shower then gets told by her its a dream? That would be interesting depending who you had say it!

 

[captcalhoun]

BD must not be be decanonised solely for the bit where Calhoun tells Picard to say 'engageg', Picard says 'make it so' and Calhoun says 'Damn you, Picard, you tricky bastard'

 

[JWolf]

The problem with Janeway's character was that she was almost instantly promoted to admiral. Aren't there any ranks between captain and admiral? Then there really wasn't much use for her overall. She was just there with nothing much to do. It seemed that some of her appearances were forced. So we ended up with Janeway just there with no direction or use.

 

[BryanSorensen]

isnt the only rank between captain and admiral; commodore? but thats just a fleet captain generally speaking.

 

[ATimson]

The problem with Janeway's character was that she was almost instantly promoted to admiral. Aren't there any ranks between captain and admiral?

That depends on whether a 1-pip admiral is a commodore (as in the 23rd century, but only seen in the 24th century in New Frontier), or a rear admiral, lower half (as in the current Navy).

That said, Janeway was shown to be a three-pip admiral, meaning she was promoted three ranks, regardless of their names.

 

[captcalhoun]

but nearly every TNG-era Admiral had 3-pips-in-a-box regardless of being called 'Vice Admiral', 'Admiral', 'Fleet Admiral' or not...

 

[Sci]

The problem with Janeway's character was that she was almost instantly promoted to admiral. Aren't there any ranks between captain and admiral?

That depends on whether a 1-pip admiral is a commodore (as in the 23rd century, but only seen in the 24th century in New Frontier), or a rear admiral, lower half (as in the current Navy).

There's a Starfleet Commodore in A Time to... as well.

I would presume that the rank structure is as follows:

Ensign
Lt. jg
Lt.
Lt. Commander
Commander
Captain
Commodore
Rear Admiral
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

 

[captcalhoun]

you missed Vice Admiral (between rear and full.) as in Vice Admiral Toddman