I think it really comes down to how it's told, when I read Wildfire by David Mack, it never occurred to me that those characters weren't dead or that they'd suddenly come back to life.
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I think it really comes down to how it's told, when I read Wildfire by David Mack, it never occurred to me that those characters weren't dead or that they'd suddenly come back to life.
Well, I guess it's a case of how such major events are handled.
In the case of 2010, or, I guess, that of 8472 busting planets, there was enough of an aura of mystery - of being at a higher level of development than those of us who are somewhat less successful at interplanetary re-engineering - and it seemd to gel more easily, if that makes sense.
However, letting the Borg - who, granted, are supposed to be more advanced than most of heir rivals anyway - suddenly join the club just seems a bit too much.
They were already dangerous enough, and I don't mind the kind of Borg-forming of worlds they were shown to do in First Contact - indeed, in my mind, that's a more characterful option for them, rather than trying to do an 8472 of their own.
(And besides, the Borg lost so many worlds against 8472, that it begs the question as to whether they really should be limiting their future options in establishing new ones...)
In the case of 2010, or, I guess, that of 8472 busting planets, there was enough of an aura of mystery - of being at a higher level of development than those of us who are somewhat less successful at interplanetary re-engineering - and it seemd to gel more easily, if that makes sense.
However, letting the Borg - who, granted, are supposed to be more advanced than most of heir rivals anyway - suddenly join the club just seems a bit too much.
They were already dangerous enough, and I don't mind the kind of Borg-forming of worlds they were shown to do in First Contact - indeed, in my mind, that's a more characterful option for them, rather than trying to do an 8472 of their own.
(And besides, the Borg lost so many worlds against 8472, that it begs the question as to whether they really should be limiting their future options in establishing new ones...)
True, though those were also either new characters or once-offs who weren't likely to return, not the star of a show.
(EDIT: Responding to Nerroth)
^^Well, Pluto isn't exactly a "world." It's one of dozens or hundreds, possibly thousands, of trans-Neptunian dwarf planets. It's a dead chunk of ice. It's not a place where anybody would ever live anyway. So I hardly think it counts as depriving the Borg of a potential homestead. Heck, it doesn't even make that much difference to the geography of Sol System, since there are plenty more where it came from.
^^Well, Pluto isn't exactly a "world." It's one of dozens or hundreds, possibly thousands, of trans-Neptunian dwarf planets. It's a dead chunk of ice. It's not a place where anybody would ever live anyway. So I hardly think it counts as depriving the Borg of a potential homestead. Heck, it doesn't even make that much difference to the geography of Sol System, since there are plenty more where it came from.
Kieran Duffy??? Not a new character, not a one-off, and for quite a few SCE readers, I'd say he was at least one of the stars... That's why Wildfire is so powerful - he is someone we knew and cared about...
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Sorry--I was referring to their status in canon, not within the series. My mistake for not being more clear.
^^ Fortunately....
THEY SAVED DUFFY'S BRAIN!!
THEY SAVED DUFFY'S BRAIN!!
I'll put it on the shelf with Dukat's and Janeway's.
And then they asked it, "What do you want to do tonight, Brain?"
Except Boba Fett. And Palpatine. And Lumiya. And Alema Rar. And Raynar Thul, Lomi Plo and Welk. And Darth Maul (or at least half of him, depending of which resurrection one prefers). And...
I agree that death is more permanent in Star Wars (not to mention more common!), but resurrection does happen, and yes, the genre is a big enabler of such devices. When you're in a setting (sci-fi, superhero, fantasy, horror, etc.) which already transgresses several laws of physics, it often isn't too much of a stretch to transgress death as well.
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The problem these days is that resurrection has become an overused plot device and often serves no useful purpose. I agree that Janeway's death could have been handled better once Margaret's edict was in effect, but Peter David is always one for inappropriate wisecracks and twists we never saw coming (scratch that, ones we often see coming but don't care).
I prefer to think of the epilogue with Lady Q and Janeway as the beginning of something rather than the end. She can learn about the Q and the Q can learn about humanity.
I prefer to think of the epilogue with Lady Q and Janeway as the beginning of something rather than the end. She can learn about the Q and the Q can learn about humanity.
Who else can see the next anthology volume from Pocket Books becoming clear? Star Trek: The Brain Saviors!
Just imagine if that alleged resurrection didn't occur a few thousand years ago, life would be so much simpler and maybe the continuous swings and roundabouts of this thread wouldn't still be going round and round like it was trapped in a stars gravity well!
Now, I don't want to repeat myself, but, for better or worse
JANEWAY.
IS.
DEAD.
Maybe she will come back, maybe she won't, given my hazy recollection of Before Dishonour, I don't even think she could have survived after being so completely borgifed and as for the supposed get out clause, someone once said, just because you can do a thing, does not mean you must do that thing.
Now, I don't want to repeat myself, but, for better or worse
JANEWAY.
IS.
DEAD.
Maybe she will come back, maybe she won't, given my hazy recollection of Before Dishonour, I don't even think she could have survived after being so completely borgifed and as for the supposed get out clause, someone once said, just because you can do a thing, does not mean you must do that thing.
^ Maybe this'll help.
^ Maybe this'll help.
Fingers crossed
I just hope none of you writers types have a really fantastic brain wave to bring her back in some form or another.
Re resurrection:
Except sales, maybe - such as Superman, The X-Men, Batman and Flash comics?
Except sales, maybe - such as Superman, The X-Men, Batman and Flash comics?
I say again, no useful purpose, and to clarify I mean an in-universe purpose. I don't think that Star Trek sales were hurt overmuch by Janeway's death, and nor do I think they were increased much. To be honest, I didn't see the need for her death but she wasn't doing much anyway so it's not a big loss in terms of story, for now.
I agree. However, technically, it is still too early to say.
The conundrum, of course, being that even when it becomes late enough to make that determination, it would be impossible to point to that single event as the sole reason for the increase or decrease in sales.
Really? Technically, how long does it take for the Rabid Janeway Fandom Effect to be observable?
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