Well, so definitely NOT a "gay episode".
Why the hate for Disco?
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It's a terrible episode of DS9, but in Profit and Lace it's certainly heavily implied that Quark actually "went all the way" with Nilva while he was female...and liked it.
Dear pre-2017 Trek show producers, this is my pitch for a gay-themed episode.
Out heroes arrive on a planet where inhabitants are identical to humans (except for something on their foreheads). On this planet members of the local LBGTQI+ community are treated unfairly. Our heroes explain that this IS BAD.
See? It's not difficult.
Plot B is about spatial anomaly something something subspace something something Data's cat something something nebulosa.
Out heroes arrive on a planet where inhabitants are identical to humans (except for something on their foreheads). On this planet members of the local LBGTQI+ community are treated unfairly. Our heroes explain that this IS BAD.
See? It's not difficult.
Plot B is about spatial anomaly something something subspace something something Data's cat something something nebulosa.
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The idea was to make Seven bisexual on Voyager, but the network wouldn't allow it.
The ep was the writers' "Up yours!" to UPN.
Kinda like what happened with Garak on DS9.
Sources?
Andrew Robinson has always said he played the character as gay (or at least in his mind).
Whilst I do applaud Discovery for finally including LGBT+ they suffer from the same issue that most shows do these days in splashing all their "woke-ness" in the press releases before the shows release or even before filming begins. Just like how they first announced the lead would be a woman of colour and include Trek's "first gay man", that might be something to promote 25 years ago but now I just find it cringy. Do representation by having the characters simply be who they are and not make a fuss about it but just accepted as being completely normal.
But that's just me, a big gay Scottish geek.
I get where you are coming from in terms of the need to publicise it, or lack of need, but I can only guess it is in reaction to the fact that there has not been that representation in the past and so they want to make clear that they have done things differently.
It isn't dissimilar to WWE pushing that night 1 of Mania was the first time two black women had headlined at the Show of Shows - it shouldn't be a big deal in 2021 but because it hasn't happened before there feels the need to acknowledge it more overtly.
It isn't dissimilar to WWE pushing that night 1 of Mania was the first time two black women had headlined at the Show of Shows - it shouldn't be a big deal in 2021 but because it hasn't happened before there feels the need to acknowledge it more overtly.
I can imagine that TOS writing room was often in kinda disarray, with part of the writing team desiring to write schlocky sci-fi, other part desiring to write serious sci-fi, pressure from some from the network to cancel high-budget, supposedly unsuccessful and sometimes controversial show (which eventually happened, two times, strictly speaking) and Gene Roddenberry being probably kinda hard to work with other top tiers for one reason or another, the amount of compromises must have been monumental.
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It's fun that, while they had no problem in a Trek show to explicitly say "RACISM IS BAD" or "DRUGS ARE BAD", when they had to tackle homophobia and LBGTQI+ subjects, they had to resort to to metaphors, similes, analogies and innuendos.
"Here to you bona fide racists and drug dealers, but for whatever reason we can't show you genuine and authentic homophobes. Please use your imagination".
"Here to you bona fide racists and drug dealers, but for whatever reason we can't show you genuine and authentic homophobes. Please use your imagination".
I believe it's been all-but-confirmed this was due to Rick Berman's homophobia.
Yep, because I can't believe that in 90s was still controversial and daring saying something like "You know, perhaps gays ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!". I mean Roseanne in the same period kissed a lesbian woman and questioned her own prejudices while Trek was like, "People, we swear, if you squint your eyes enough we are talking about preconceptions on gay people, see?".
Well, the reality was there wasn’t a “writers room“ on shows in that era. Most of the scripts were assignments handed out to freelance writers, who would get notes back from the producers. None of the writers who actually worked on staff seemed interested in writing schlock. Many freelance writers for the show did get re-written, and having seen the paper trail, quite often that was necessary.
I don’t think when you say producers you mean the actual producers. It sounds like you’re talking about the network.
Also, what two shows are you talking about being canceled for being controversial?
What I find interesting is that Uhura, Kinchloe, and Barney Collins on Mission: Impossible all had jobs that dealt with electronics. The first two were radiomen/women and the latter owned an electronics company.
OK, I stand corrected. I meant that TOS was technically canceled two times, after the second season, then saved and then after the third season.
Well, saying that "Uhura dealt with electronics" is a stretch. She was little more than a receptionist who rarely leaved her station. Yes, she used electronic instruments to do her work, like, well, anybody else on a starship.
Not just the 1990s. It continued into Enterprise. I remember there was some speculation that Reed was supposed to be gay, which they put the kibosh on very quickly in the first season with his comments about T'Pol's "bum."
AFAIK (@Harvey) there's never been confirmation that Star Trek had been "cancelled" by NBC at the end of the 2nd season. Roddenberry initiated the "Save Star Trek" campaign via the Trimbles in like 1967 before they even wrapped production for the second season. I think Roddenberry feared the show was doomed due to it's low ratings and decided to proactively try to save it.
I said she was the "radiowoman", and she DID get under her console and rewire it in one episode, so she wasn't just a telephone operator.
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