Why the hate for Disco?

[Lord Garth]

I just avoid Robert Meyer Burnett videos on YouTube. I'm well enough aware of his reputation that I know they're going to be either a waste of time or unintentional comedy.

I think as a Professional Trekkie, he's shooting himself in the foot. He lies through his teeth anyway. He's already revised his "opinion" of VOY. It's "great" now. So he's not above putting on a show.

He got to design the season sets for TNG Remastered. If he wouldn't keep trash-talking Paramount+ Trek, he might've been able to swing a gig doing something for them. I'm sure he'd be paid a lot more to design something for them than to be a Professional Trash Talker online. Unless his goal is to become Star Trek's Rush Limbaugh.

 

[Vger23]

I don't really know who this Burnett is.

He's really nobody, quite honestly (and I mean no disrespect to the man....I just mean that factually).

He is barely more qualified to have an opinion on the franchise than you, me or anyone else here for that matter. He just has a larger platform to speak from, and he likes to abuse it.

 

[XCV330]

I sold a story last year that was a throwaway. I saw that particular market was looking for a particular historical story, so i wrote one up in a couple of hours and sent it in on a whim and stupidly didn't use a pseudonym. It wasn't that good. The event they needed the story for passed and I figured they were late sending me a rejection note, which was fine, as summer is like that.

I forgot about it. Then saw the acceptance letter and the link to agree to the blah blah and if they could paypal me. At that point I recalled the story was kind of crap and my name was attached to it. as so happens the stuff editors like from me is not at all what I think is my best. But I did want the money.

I made a point not to look at the feedback. For a week. You can't help it, really. I looked. Ugh. people are mean. So, if you're out there Ms Beyer, better luck next time. They cant all be homers. Write in a drooling snot-nozed villain named Burnett next season.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

I mean, there's having a thick skin, and then there's a supposed-professional like Robert Meyer Burnett running around saying that "Unification III" writer Kirsten Beyer ought to be forced to walk the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame -- which, to be clear, is literally advocating for her to be sexually assaulted by forcing her to strip naked and walk in public as people scream and throw food at her. There are a lot of people who go from having criticism of the writing to engaging in what amounts to verbal abuse against the writers as people. That ain't acceptable no matter how "thick a skin" the writer is supposed to have.

I'd need to have you post a link to the exact conversation to get the entire context. In all likelihood, he's likely no more "literally" advocating that than if he had said she should "walk the plank" would be literally advocating her abduction to the Caribbean and murder by drowning. He's most likely making a crass pop culture reference joke/insult. You have the right to be offended by it as it is by its very nature meant to be offensive but I'm not going to jump to conclusions that he is advocating multiple felonies based on your interpretation.

That said... I'm surprised by that statement. When I was listening to his podcast (I stopped last year when he said something incredibly stupid on facebook so haven't kept up), he actually expressed admiration for her work multiple times a year or two ago to the point that I actually remember her name for that reason (though I'm not personally familiar with her work as I myself don't keep track of who writes which episode or novel).

 

[Jinn]

I'd need to have you post a link to the exact conversation to get the entire context. In all likelihood, he's likely no more "literally" advocating that than if he had said she should "walk the plank" would be literally advocating her abduction to the Caribbean and murder by drowning. He's most likely making a crass pop culture reference joke/insult. You have the right to be offended by it as it is by its very nature meant to be offensive but I'm not going to jump to conclusions that he is advocating multiple felonies based on your interpretation.

That said... I'm surprised by that statement. When I was listening to his podcast (I stopped last year when he said something incredibly stupid on facebook so haven't kept up), he actually expressed admiration for her work multiple times a year or two ago to the point that I actually remember her name for that reason (though I'm not personally familiar with her work as I myself don't keep track of who writes which episode or novel).

https://twitter.com/burnettrm/status/1331885961177747457

"And she also said how much of the man (Spock) became was the result of who his sister was." FUCK. THIS. FUCKING SHOW. Kirsten Beyer...you should do the Cersei Lannister walk of shame through the capital city of Ekos.

 

[Lord Garth]

I kind of wish he'd come back here. Wait, what am I talking about?

"It would've been fun... "
"Too much fun."

 

[Vger23]

https://twitter.com/burnettrm/status/1331885961177747457

Wow. What a dink.

 

[Jinn]

I kind of wish he'd come back here. Wait, what am I talking about?

"It would've been fun... "
"Too much fun."

I'm just glad that on this site he'd get an infraction for such a statement.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

https://twitter.com/burnettrm/status/1331885961177747457

Thanks! Yeah, it's a stupid hot take but I don't see anything there that would indicate he "literally" meant it. Is he referring to a s3 DISCO episode? I haven't watched the newest season.

 

[Lord Garth]

Thanks! Yeah, it's a stupid hot take but I don't see anything there that would indicate he "literally" meant it. Is he referring to a s3 DISCO episode? I haven't watched the newest season.

"Yeah, but he didn't mean it" is a slippery slope. In this day and age, we should know better.

He's either:
1) Doing this for entertainment value.
2) An angry middle-aged man who can't stand the way things are now.

Both of which are entirely believable.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

"Yeah, but he didn't mean it" is a slippery slope. In this day and age, we should know better.

He's either:
1) Doing this for entertainment value.
2) An angry middle-aged man who can't stand the way things are right now.

Both of which are entirely believable.

I completely agree with you that both are believeable/possible and that he should know better. Neither of those factor into whether he was "literally" advocating for it in real life.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

It makes sense. That's what they were going for. "Star Trek that's not that other Star Trek for nerds!" It worked, for a few movies anyway. I had friends who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching Star Trek who were interested in going to see those movies.

Ya I thought they were really poor except the last one cause I enjoyed the Edison mystery bit but I'm not angry that they exist

 

[eschaton]

Ya I thought they were really poor except the last one cause I enjoyed the Edison mystery bit but I'm not angry that they exist

As conventional action movies go, there wasn't much wrong with ST09. It just had no reason really to be a Star Trek movie. They didn't even do the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic much, kicking McCoy back to a secondary character and jumping up Uhura in importance.

STID was dumb as a box of hammers, and full of plot holes. But IMHO the big issue with the movie is they didn't decide properly on a villain. was it Khan or was it Admiral Marcus? All Khan wanted to do was have a safe haven somewhere with his augments. Marcus wanted to foment a war with the Klingon empire. No comparison, particularly if we don't use metaknowledge from the Prime Universe. It would have been a much better movie if they decided to have Khan continue to team up with Kirk all the way through the end, in that to some extent it would have subverted TWOK and shown anything can happen with a new timeline.

BEY was fine. It actually felt like a Star Trek movie. It was kinda dull though. I always forget most of what happened in the movie right after I watch it.

 

[fireproof78]

was it Khan or was it Admiral Marcus?

Marcus.

It just had no reason really to be a Star Trek movie.

No, but it worked very well as such.

 

[Jadeb]

Beyond also felt like a fairly generic action movie to me. The motorcycle business pulled me right out of it. As a Trek film, I’d put it about on par with Nemesis. OK, but kinda forgettable.

Looks good in comparison to ID, tho.

 

[Sci]

I completely agree with you that both are believeable/possible and that he should know better. Neither of those factor into whether he was "literally" advocating for it in real life.

The "literally" functions to clarify what "the Cersei Lannister walk of shame" equals. It is an assertion of a syllogism: "To advocate for A is literally to advocate for B."

What you're describing is whether or not his statement was earnest, not whether or not A was literally the same thing as B.

And if he did not earnestly want Kirsten Beyer to be sexually assaulted, he should not have said he did. It is a completely inappropriate thing to say.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

As conventional action movies go, there wasn't much wrong with ST09. It just had no reason really to be a Star Trek movie. They didn't even do the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic much, kicking McCoy back to a secondary character and jumping up Uhura in importance.

STID was dumb as a box of hammers, and full of plot holes. But IMHO the big issue with the movie is they didn't decide properly on a villain? was it Khan or was it Admiral Marcus? All Khan wanted to do was have a safe haven somewhere with his augments. Marcus wanted to foment a war with the Klingon empire. No comparison, particularly if we don't use metaknowledge from the Prime Universe. It would have been a much better movie if they decided to have Khan continue to team up with Kirk all the way through the end, in that to some extent it would have subverted TWOK and shown anything can happen with a new timeline.

BEY was fine. It actually felt like a Star Trek movie. It was kinda dull though. I always forget most of what happened in the movie right after I watch it.

09 was fine and they done well to realize that they needed to point out the new timeline thing to help make it work but just calling it Star Trek was a little annoying when in conversation.
ID was awful and telling everyone you are gonna do Trek different then throwing in Khan and S31 was always gonna bring ridicule

 

[fireproof78]

Khan was literally a no-win situation for them.

 

[cooleddie74]

They should never have revived Khan's storyline for the Kelvin Timeline films. Or if they were they should have just made Benedict Cumberbatch another one of Khan's 72 Augments aboard the Botany Bay and had him be, you know, John Harrison. A British Augment leader from the 1990s whom Admiral Marcus revived because he didn't want to risk waking Khan himself.

 

[Robert April]

They should never have revived Khan's storyline for the Kelvin Timeline films. Or if they were they should have just made Benedict Cumberbatch another one of Khan's 72 Augments aboard the Botany Bay and had him be, you know, John Harrison. A British Augment leader from the 1990s whom Admiral Marcus revived because he didn't want to risk waking Khan himself.

That would have been a much better 'what if' storyline. What if one of his followers was first. I could have bought into that if they skewed the storyline further.

I don't know if there is any truth to this, but the thought that STID was originally supposed to be a remake of WNMHGB. They had the jail cell and a blond who looked very much like the doctor. Benedict could have been Gary Mitchell. It would have been much better on the big screen than Khan.

Khan was done so brilliantly that it feels like a one and done vs.'this Batman's Joker'.