Why the Gold?

[Praetor Baldric]

Something about shirt colors that has always bothered me. I get that Blue is for Sciences and Red for Operations, but why is there need for Gold to be worn by anyone but the Captain and what distinguishes those who wear the Gold shirt but who are not the Captain from those who do not wear Gold.

I have always thought that Gold was for Command Crew. Ok, so then why aren't Spock, McCoy or Scotty (all holding command positions) not in Gold?

If by Command Crew, we mean Bridge personnel only, then why isn't Uhura also wearing Gold?

Sulu is OPs, so he could have been in Red. Chekov is Spock's protege and is portrayed as being something of a prodigy, so why couldn't he be in Blue?

Do you start off as a Red or Blue shirt and then get promoted to a Gold shirt (but then that doesn't work for Spock nor Scotty)?

It seems to me that if you are in the crew, you are either involved in Science or OPs, or a combination of both, so why have Gold Shirts at all for anyone but the Captain?

I realize that the practical answer is that GR and Company probably wanted diverse colors on the set for aesthetic reasons, but I am looking for a more in-universe type of explanation please.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

In-universe? No reason. Out of universe? Primary colors (red, blue and green), to sell color TVs.

 

[Praetor Baldric]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

In-universe? No reason. Out of universe? Primary colors (red, blue and green), to sell color TVs.

I thought the primary colors were red. blue, yellow. I don't think green is a primary color.

 

[Maurice]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

In-universe? No reason. Out of universe? Primary colors (red, blue and green), to sell color TVs.

I thought the primary colors were red. blue, yellow. I don't think green is a primary color.

For additive color (light) it's RGB. For subtractive color (pigment) it's RYB. See?

 

[scotpens]

For additive color (light) it's RGB. For subtractive color (pigment) it's RYB. See?

Actually, the primary ink colors used in process color printing are CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow and black). But that's a whole 'nother topic.

Early in production, uniform colors were flexible. By mid-first season, colors were mostly standardized as follows: Green (often appearing gold or greenish-gold) for command, blue for sciences, red for engineering and ship's services.

If by Command Crew, we mean Bridge personnel only, then why isn't Uhura also wearing Gold?

Uhura did, in fact, wear a gold (actually green) uniform in the first two or three production episodes.

Sulu is OPs, so he could have been in Red. Chekov is Spock's protege and is portrayed as being something of a prodigy, so why couldn't he be in Blue?

There was no "Ops" or Operations division per se in Trek TOS. As for Chekov, his character was originally meant to be a "Kirk-in-training" on the command track, so he wore command gold -- uh, green -- whatever.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

The colors do make sense.

Blue is for science and medicine.

Green-gold is for people who steer and navigate the ship, which is known as keeping a ship under command.

Red is for ship's services: people who maintain the machinery (engineering), operate systems that don't command the ship itself (like communications), and who manage behavioral risks (security).

 

[Maurice]

For additive color (light) it's RGB. For subtractive color (pigment) it's RYB. See?

Actually, the primary ink colors used in process color printing are CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow and black). But that's a whole 'nother topic.

I'm quite aware of that, but the assertion was that green wasn't a primary color, and I was merely explaining why it is, in fact, where additive color is concerned.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The colors do make sense.

Blue is for science and medicine.

Green-gold is for people who steer and navigate the ship, which is known as keeping a ship under command.

Red is for ship's services: people who maintain the machinery (engineering), operate systems that don't command the ship itself (like communications), and who manage behavioral risks (security).

We have a winnah!

 

[The Emissary]

The colors do make sense.

Blue is for science and medicine.

Green-gold is for people who steer and navigate the ship, which is known as keeping a ship under command.

Red is for ship's services: people who maintain the machinery (engineering), operate systems that don't command the ship itself (like communications), and who manage behavioral risks (security).

They do make sense, but I wish they weren't so limited with it.

 

[Robert Comsol]

Uhura did, in fact, wear a gold (actually green) uniform in the first two production episodes.

Which could indicate that she had previously served in the capacity to steer or navigate the ship. IIRC she takes over for Styles in "Balance of Terror".

Bob

 

[Myko]

Which could indicate that she had previously served in the capacity to steer or navigate the ship. IIRC she takes over for Styles in "Balance of Terror".

Bob

She takes over for Sulu in "The Naked Time". (And is later relieved by Ryan/Rand/Leslie.)

 

[J.T.B.]

There was no "Ops" or Operations division per se in Trek TOS.

That's true, though IIRC the gold/yellow divsion in TMP was "operations."

Green-gold is for people who steer and navigate the ship, which is known as keeping a ship under command.

That's about it, though the "gold" division also seems to encompass weapons functions. The more pertinent question might be "Why 'command?'" If it had been called something like the "control" division (flight control, fire control) we might not be having these discussions.

One thing that the "gold" color pretty clearly does not indicate is who is in line to take command of a ship, or ones eventual career path.

 

[Cmdr.Druss]

In retrospect it does make sense for Sulu and Chekov to be wearing gold. They both went onto command level positons later in their careers (Captain and Executive Officer respectively). And I think one or the other was oftn left in charge of the bridge.

 

[Hambone]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

I have yet to see a piece of film or photo in which the command uniforms look green (with the exception of Kirk's dress uniform and "wrap-around"). Maybe my rods and cones are all screwed up, but they always look yellow to me.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

I have yet to see a piece of film or photo in which the command uniforms look green (with the exception of Kirk's dress uniform and "wrap-around"). Maybe my rods and cones are all screwed up, but they always look yellow to me.

Here's a publicity photo (correction: now a still) of Nimoy & Kirk which shows how their uniforms (as well as Nimoy's makeup) were supposed to look like.
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/KirkSpockShirts.jpg

But according to William Ware Theiss, the command shirts looked more gold, yellow, or even slightly orange in the final TV mix depending on the film stock (the same was true for the Enterprise itself, which sometimes varied in color from gray, to light blue, to bluish-green).

 

[Commishsleer]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

I have yet to see a piece of film or photo in which the command uniforms look green (with the exception of Kirk's dress uniform and "wrap-around"). Maybe my rods and cones are all screwed up, but they always look yellow to me.

I have a poster of all the original crew on the bridge including Chapel (so it must be a publicity photo) and my children asked why Kirk's shirt was green. Its hard to explain. In the poster the command shirts look green but on my TV they look gold.

Here's a publicity photo of Nimoy & Kirk which shows how their uniforms (as well as Nimoy's makeup) were supposed to look like.
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/GreenKirkShirt_Pub-web.jpg

That link doesn't work for me

 

[C.E. Evans]

The color is actually green. It only looks gold in certain lighting conditions.
(You'll notice that the full dress command uniform looks more obviously green.)

I have yet to see a piece of film or photo in which the command uniforms look green (with the exception of Kirk's dress uniform and "wrap-around"). Maybe my rods and cones are all screwed up, but they always look yellow to me.

I have a poster of all the original crew on the bridge including Chapel (so it must be a publicity photo) and my children asked why Kirk's shirt was green. Its hard to explain. In the poster the command shirts look green but on my TV they look gold.

Here's a publicity photo of Nimoy & Kirk which shows how their uniforms (as well as Nimoy's makeup) were supposed to look like.
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/GreenKirkShirt_Pub-web.jpg

That link doesn't work for me

Try this one.
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/KirkSpockShirts.jpg

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The colors do make sense.

Blue is for science and medicine.

Green-gold is for people who steer and navigate the ship, which is known as keeping a ship under command.

Red is for ship's services: people who maintain the machinery (engineering), operate systems that don't command the ship itself (like communications), and who manage behavioral risks (security).

They do make sense, but I wish they weren't so limited with it.

Well, the movie uniforms tried to break everything down by position (going as far as to separate medical and science), but they ended up abandoning that and going back to a three color scheme.

 

[Hambone]

I have yet to see a piece of film or photo in which the command uniforms look green (with the exception of Kirk's dress uniform and "wrap-around"). Maybe my rods and cones are all screwed up, but they always look yellow to me.

I have a poster of all the original crew on the bridge including Chapel (so it must be a publicity photo) and my children asked why Kirk's shirt was green. Its hard to explain. In the poster the command shirts look green but on my TV they look gold.

Here's a publicity photo of Nimoy & Kirk which shows how their uniforms (as well as Nimoy's makeup) were supposed to look like.
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/GreenKirkShirt_Pub-web.jpg

That link doesn't work for me

Try this one.
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/KirkSpockShirts.jpg

It looks gold to me.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I have a poster of all the original crew on the bridge including Chapel (so it must be a publicity photo) and my children asked why Kirk's shirt was green. Its hard to explain. In the poster the command shirts look green but on my TV they look gold.


That link doesn't work for me

Try this one.
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/KirkSpockShirts.jpg

It looks gold to me.

Looks lime green to me.