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Why such poor continuity?

mythme, I kind of love you now, because your Home/CS12/Daedalus explanation has completely validated a whole storyline in a fanfic I wrote. If I divorce my husband, I could marry you (no matter what gender you are) because I live in Massachusetts.

Which reminds me. My sister was born overseas, but moved to the States at 6 months old. It completely depends on who she's talking to whether she says she's from Boston or Bermuda. And it's not a nationality thing, either. There really is no continuity issue with Archer saying I was born here but lived my whole (or adult -I forget) life there. Both can be true. If, say, Henry moved the family to SF to work on The Project when Jon was a small child, what's the problem? Living someplace all your life doesn't necessarily mean counting from conception. Even if you don't make up a reason, it's maybe just a matter of it being an expression you wouldn't use, but someone else might.

Hoshi is a white knuckle liver. I did think the "I broke my intructor's arm because he discovered my illegal poker game" was far fetched (and I kind of tuck it away as something I pretend was never said). But in terms of her being a coward - I don't think that's true. She lacked self-confidence. I mean, I am a just-on-the-border-of-hysterical flyer, I'm wicked claustrophobic, and the first time I stood up in court, I was a hot mess. But that doesn't mean I'm completely helpless and a scaredy cat. And I know enough judo (learned, oddly enough, in order to give myself some self-confidence and coping skills) to kick somebody's butt if I have to. I think people exaggerate Hoshi's fear because of a natural reaction to her first time in space (who wouldn't be afraid of the first Klingon anyone's ever seen?) just as they assumed Trip was a hick because of his accent and his taste for catfish and pecan pie.
 
commodore64 said:
I will not be pushed, stamped filed...

So basically you're saying that since every detail that you wanted explained away is a continuity flaw??

I think this is unreasonable.

Where was the explanation of two different Darrens in Bewitched?

How come Ziyal looked so different in every episode she was featured?

How come no one explained how Livingston managed to stay alive for so long?

Why didn't they just send down a shuttle to rescue Sulu and his men when the transporter broke down??

The responses that I gave you are certainly conjecture, but they are not far fetched conjectures. T'Pol's experimentation with emotion is something we've seen for the whole series and the writers did a good job developing that giving us a great payoff with the Vulcan arc in season 4.

The NX-01 goes back to Earth after the Xindi attack to be restocked and refitted while being debriefed on the mission. Cargo bays are being converted into command centers. There is no reason to believe that the Suliban Cell ship wasn't left with Starfleet. Why would we need to devote dialog or an episode to explain that?

When I travel and people ask me where I'm from I tell them Boston. I don't explain that I was born in Lynn, lived in Lawrence for three years then a year in Andover and then Peabody, then moved to Lowell for college and then lived at home before moving to JP and then Somerville then North Andover then Peabody again. Boston is a recognizable city to most and to say that I've lived my life there, while not completely accurate, isn't a lie, either.

People are born somewhere and sometimes they live somewhere else. No biggie. Only Sith Lords deal in absolutes! ;)

Character sketches in series bibles are just that. It is up to the writers to extrapolate and expound upon who the character is and then put words and actions into those characters to bring them to life. That doesn't mean that the Producers don't "know" the characters. In fact, I agree that they don't really. Rather, it is something that is developed and nurtured through the run of the series, any series. I don't consider this a flaw. It is what naturally happens over the course of the series. We never saw Spock ingest food through a plate through his stomach, as in the TOS bible, not did we ever see a deep tissue foot massage to explore one's pagh, as written in the DS9 bible.

My point is that I think the details that you think are continuity flaws, while they may be trouble some to you, are not flaws as much as they are threads left untied. There is no crime in leaving a few things up to the viewer to decide. I don't believe it is anyone's responsability to spoonfeed every minute detail, unless it serves the plot. Most of your needs for closure don't serve the plot.
 
The continuity was poor simply because after fifteen years and five series, the writers were either getting tired, or running out of ideas, or both.

Also, Trip was an ass thoughout the series.

I just had to say that.

I really, REALLY hate the guy.

Likeable cast indeed.......

Okay, I DO like Hoshi, and wish we had seen more of her. At first, it seemed like she'd be a real comm officer, not like Uhura with the "Hailing frequencies open sir" bit, bit sadly, that's what she became.
 
Sorry RandyS, I realize that's your opinion but totally disagree with you. Trip was a great character in ENT, one of the best and Hoshi sucked. The episodes that featured her like "Exile"(S3) and "Vanishing Point"(S2) were definatley below average. Her character was ok but the stories about her were not done well.
 
Her best episode was "Fight or Flight." Really showed how unnerved and scared she was of deep space travel and made us feel for her character. Most later episodes didn't accomplish nearly as much.
 
Nebusj said:
gblews said:
As has been pointed out numerous times, there wasn't much time, so the writers picked out what they considered the most important established storylines and continued (followed up on) them, while introducing the new stuff.
And yet somehow ``Marauders'' made the cut.
Huh? "Marauders" didn't get any follow up. When I said "new stuff" I was referring mainly to season 4 stories.
 
Yeah.. It would have been nice to see if those Klingons were still fooled by moving the town of Rock Ridge.
 
I found a lot of faults with Enterprise, but I really don't think continuity was one of them. For me, a lot of times, it's not really an issue of continuity but just simple story logistics. Like, the issue of, "Where was so-and-so character five episodes ago?" Probably somewhere else since so-and-so character might have actually prevented the story from moving along.

Now, there are issues of continuity like Archer's dad, sure. But then again, continuity breaches are not unheard of and, *gasp!* they tend to happen in the best of shows these days, too. Go fig.
 
T'Pol heard and liked jazz long before contracting Pa'naar Syndrome. I suspect that if examined closely, a fair number of what you think are continuity errors might turn out to be just little memory glitches.

No. I remember she was in the Vulcan compound sneaking out listening to jazz. That wasn't really the point. I think you had a missed-context glitch. :p

The point was -- T'Pol experienced a hell of a lot of "your emotions are on the surface" illnesses and then drugs. They should've picked one ... not three or four.
 
commodore64 said:
Is Enterprise real life?

Moreso than GRAY'S ANATOMY. Last time I went to the hospital half the docs and nurses looked like Wynnona Judd with mullets or the Unabomber.
 
Frosty the Vorta said:
The most grating one that comes to mind for me: Archer's father dying twice.

Hey, it's the 22nd C! The fact that Johnny has two daddies is nothing unusual. ;)

Fantastic point! I'm surprised no one else has thought of that :)
 
Cyke101 said:
Frosty the Vorta said:
The most grating one that comes to mind for me: Archer's father dying twice.

Hey, it's the 22nd C! The fact that Johnny has two daddies is nothing unusual. ;)

Fantastic point! I'm surprised no one else has thought of that :)

Damn Temporal Cold War.

Changing history like that. :lol:
 
commodore64 said:
The point was -- T'Pol experienced a hell of a lot of "your emotions are on the surface" illnesses and then drugs. They should've picked one ... not three or four.
Well this I can certainly agree with. But the fact that we saw Pa'naar, then Trellium, just offers further proof that the Beebs had very little of the series planned out and too often were flying by the seats of their pants.
 
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