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Why only 150?

Well it could have been worse.

Maybe the ship crashed, ran out of gas and the crew hung out in a bar on a near by planetoid for half a season, while repairs are made.
 
The writers probably had very little to do with it. In order to show damage being repaired, the producers would have to be shaken down for the money to build the special sets and shoot the VFX. Likely end result: more bottle shows, fewer guest stars, no new sets or VFX for alien things. Essentially, the new BSG with likeable characters - a worst case scenario if there ever was one.

Timo Saloniemi

Having a couple of engineers in the background working on a wall panel during some scenes wouldn't have been a big deal. Or some lip service at least, not to mention actually basing some story ideas around the idea that Voyager is in a weakened state and needs repairs or something. In "Nightingale", Voyager lands on a planet for an overhaul. If they'd done that after Killing Game it would have made much more sense.
 
The Gift showed transitional repairs from when the Borg tried to make themselves feel at home.

B'Elanna even talked about repairs saying that some of the Borg tech worked better and they should keep it if there wasn't a security risk.
 
this is exactly what you were crying about what they never did, and this is your reaction?

The Gift was an odd episode. It was practically Scorpion part 3, because lf all the fall out they wer still dealing with.

But it would have been nice to see thing done consistently, and not just the once.
 
No, not completely.

Just a little.

It showed that Voyager knew how to make the show we wanted, but they couldn't be bothered.

You know like that guy on your street who only mows his lawns once a year.

Or like how George Carlin only washed his hands after going to the toilet when he got poop on them... Which was funny, until you wondered if George would still be alive if he washed his hands more.
 
Or like how George Carlin only washed his hands after going to the toilet when he got poop on them... Which was funny, until you wondered if George would still be alive if he washed his hands more.
He did have a bit about swimming in the Hudson River as a kid, and it didn't kill him. He did live to 71.
 
Going by the episodes where characters specifically mention how many people are onboard (in bold), it never makes sense.

The 37's (S2E01) - 152 crewmembers (excluding Kes, Neelix and the Doctor)

9 deaths - Alliances, Meld, Investigations, Innocence, Basics Pt 2, Unity, Latent Image (Ensign Jetal)
1 Addition - Naomi Widman

Net loss between The 37s and Distant Origin = 8 crewmembers

152-8 = 144 crewmen + Kes and Neelix = 146 people aboard

In Distant Origin (S3E23) there are 147[lifesigns detected, so who knows where the additional lifesign came from

7 deaths - Scientific Method, Ashes to Ashes (Lindsay Ballard), Living Witness, One

Net loss between Distant Origin and In the Flesh is 7, 146-7 = 139

In the Flesh - The doctor says there are 127 people aboard which would imply that 12 have died offscreen since Distant Origin.

Next mention of the number of crew is in Gravity (S5E13)when Tuvok mentions there are 152 crewmembers. So suddenly the crew count has jumped up to the number mentioned in the 37s. He isn't talking about Voyager's original crew complement as that was 141.

2 episodes in later in Dark Frontier (S5E15), the Borg detect 143 lifesigns on board the ship which contradicts both Gravity by being drastically lower in a very short space of time, In the Flesh by being much higher, and even "Distant Origin by having only 4 less lifesigns detected since then despite 7 deaths having occurred since then. Although if we're in the mood for fanwankery, Distant Origin and Dark Frontier are the easiest to reconcile if we assume that some of the dead crewmembers were miraculously revived.

But then in Someone to Watch Over Me (S5E22) it is mentioned there is a crew of 146, so Voyager has gained 2 crewmembers since Dark Frontier (not 3 since the Doctor wouldnt have been included in a lifesign scan but Neelix would have included him)


3 Deaths - Equinox Pt 2, Friendship One
6 additions - Icheb (Collective) and the Equinox crewmembers
Net addition - 3 between Someone to Watch Over Me and Author, Author

So the final mention is in Author, Author (S6E20) - 147 people on board. Counting from S5E22, there should now be 149 aboard but it isn't a stretch to believe that 3 people have died offscreen....

Overall though, when taking into account what I've written above and that huge casualty list seen in "Imperfection" full of the names of people we hadn't seen die and its obvious that the writers simply didn't care about keeping continuity with the numbers. And frankly, most people who've watched and enjoy Voyager don't care anywway.

Fascinating. Wouldn't you think someone in the writer's room might have kept a tally of this? If they started with 147 in Caretaker and were down twenty or so by Endgame, the loss of the 22 people in the Admiral's time would have created a bigger problem. Too bad. Another sign of a "lack of continuity."
 
^That would have been terrible hard work. You kow having a whiteboard where you ammend the number when someone dies or a new crew is added. ;)
 
...Well, BSG would often have us believe that the only deaths and births that take place are the ones witnessed onscreen. Hardly likely in a community of 50,000, with many old and ailing people - or in the later community of 30,000, with the weak culled but the strong smack in the middle of breeding age, and motivated. Or the even later community where suicide rates should have soared while others made babies like crazy.

(Incidentally, was Naomi Wildman the only baby born during the voyage? That is, not just the only one ever seen, but explicitly decorated with the "Only Baby" medal with laurels and pink ribbon? Or, alternately, was Miral Paris explicitly the second baby born on the ship, at the conclusion of the voyage?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
...Well, BSG would often have us believe that the only deaths and births that take place are the ones witnessed onscreen.
Not sure where you get your facts, because births (and deaths) took place offscreen with frequent regularity on BSG. The tallies went up and down every episode, regardless if you saw someone die on screen or not. BSGwiki does a good job of cataloging the deaths/additions.
 
Lynnis.

Andrew,

Belle.

Jeffrey

One.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

However.

Do they these children really count?

(No child left behind?)

However...

Naomi was conceived in the AQ, then she was stillborn, but replaced by a doppleganger.

She certainly doesn't count, since she's not even human.

Miral on the other hand was born in the AQ.

So just because her prenatal lifestle was all dq, it doesn't change where she was born.

IN earths orbit like a real" borning (mostly) human being.

If the real Naomi died inside Sam, then no Children were Born on Voyager.

(Those lizard babies so count.)
 
Lynnis.

Andrew,

Belle.

Jeffrey

One.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

Baby Paris-Janeway.

However.

Do they these children really count?

(No child left behind?)

However...

Naomi was conceived in the AQ, then she was stillborn, but replaced by a doppleganger.

She certainly doesn't count, since she's not even human.

Miral on the other hand was born in the AQ.

So just because her prenatal lifestle was all dq, it doesn't change where she was born.

IN earths orbit like a real" borning (mostly) human being.

If the real Naomi died inside Sam, then no Children were Born on Voyager.

(Those lizard babies so count.)

Does Tuvix count?
 
Totally.

Shared genetic material.

I suppose that that might have included the quicksilver lifeforms too?

Voyager was supposed to stay lost for an additional 14 years.

the Admiral was quick to mention the 22 crewmen that would die in those misplaced 14 years, but she didn't mention the joy of a single birth... If there were any?
 
Miral on the other hand was born in the AQ.

So just because her prenatal lifestle was all dq, it doesn't change where she was born.

I always thought she was born inside a Borq transwarp conduit and the Doctor just didn't call the bridge until they'd reached the AQ safely.
 
A couple of years ago I made an attempt to create a list of all crewmembers. Well, that was easier said and done and the numbers doesn't really fit with "canon".

But here is the result:
http://lynx677.byethost12.com/ (click on the link "Crew list")
 
Miral on the other hand was born in the AQ.

So just because her prenatal lifestle was all dq, it doesn't change where she was born.

I always thought she was born inside a Borq transwarp conduit and the Doctor just didn't call the bridge until they'd reached the AQ safely.

But reviewing the script, the trip took seconds not hours.

Although I remember Borg ships following and firing at Janeway inside the conduit.


If the kid was born inside the conduit, it's possible she might have been technically born in the Beta Quadrant like Klingons are supposed to be, which is even more boring than a human being born so close to Earth.
 
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