Awful as showrunners but primarily as writers.
Why not just make a Pike era show?
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Awful as showrunners but primarily as writers.
Put me in charge of Star Trek. I will hire Tommy Wiseau as head writer and insist on using Ed Wood-level special effects. All the actors will be scavenged from community theatre, and I will of course take the lead role, using all the acting skills gleaned from my many years as a meat cutter.
I'll set the series in the year 2318, but we'll just take whatever uniforms are left over from Black Mirror and local thrift shops.
We'll keep the per-episode budget under $10,000, and probably have 5 million viewers every episode. It'll be the most talked-about Star Trek in years, because that's all that matters, apparently.
I'll set the series in the year 2318, but we'll just take whatever uniforms are left over from Black Mirror and local thrift shops.
We'll keep the per-episode budget under $10,000, and probably have 5 million viewers every episode. It'll be the most talked-about Star Trek in years, because that's all that matters, apparently.
Speaking of canon, I wish we could render the Nor'easter we're having in New England non-canon.
Yup.
Speaking of Canon, what kind of Pike that we will encounter in Discovery? The sexist Pike like in "The Cage", or the wise and fatherly Pike like in Star Trek 09? If we want canon, Pike will be sexist. Well, it is sooo not political correctness, but who care about that, he's not the main character in Discovery anyway. Or we will go into 2009 version to follow the current Political correctness?
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I want a hybrid. I like 2009 Pike and, sexism aside, I like Cage Pike.
They'll probably (hopefully) ignore the Make Canon Great Again crowd. Double-entendre intentional.
They'll probably (hopefully) ignore the Make Canon Great Again crowd. Double-entendre intentional.
"Something. something...canon"
Because these producers aren't going to do a series with a White male lead. They specifically wanted a Black female and all the heroes to be minority characters.
A Pike series would never work with the Discovery showrunners.
Captain Lorca is white. Michael Burnham is not the first officer. I find your point invalid and your reasoning flawed.
A Pike era show would work just as well with the same gender and ethnic mix. Discovery is set 1 year after the Talos IV incident. The only 3 characters that should remain static /people expect to see would be Pike, Spock, and Number One.
If it's a Pike series, Pike must be there. Everyone else is optional. We assume Spock served on the Enterprise with Pike until Kirk took command. There is no indication when Number One or any other bridge officer transferred off the Enterprise.
The biggest problem or argument over a Pike centered series is recasting Spock.
A Pike series would work just as well with the same gender and ethnic mix. White captain, stoic female lead, alien bridge officer.
The idea of a Pike series NOT being a clean slate is silly. We saw Pike for 1 episode, 1 adventure, 1 mission that now classified. We know the previous mission to Rigel was a disaster. We know that 1 year prior to the time frame of DSC Pike was tired and needed a vacation.
That's it! How does that hinder the creators worse than they were already hindered in Discovery? Every episode of DSC would have worked just as well if they had been set on the Enterprise under Pike's command. All that would be required is a little minor tweaking.
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Because of all the ancillary material that has been produced, from books to comics. There comes with it a level of expectation of how Pike's life proceeded and how he would behave. Pike would be expected to act just like he did in The Cage.
Everything that goes against a Pike show can be boiled down to why DISCO gets slaughter in discussion. It has to look exactly the same, has to behave exactly the same, with the same attention to detail as Phase 2 or Star Trek Continues.
So then the expectation and criticism of a Pike era show is exactly the same as what we already have with DSC. No difference. A Pike era show would have worked just as well as we received with DSC.
And Jason Isaacs would have been a pretty decent Pike too, now that I think of it. Plus, if you're willing to risk Fan Rage by rebooting a character, Detmer could be a pretty convincing "Number One" too if you gave her more lines. So I get what you're saying...
The thing is, Bryan Fuller had something pretty specific in mind when he set out to create Discovery and his vision wasn't compatible with a Pike Era show, and it's obvious the Mirror Universe was a big part of this. If I had to guess, I'd say he was planning on having the Spore Drive accidentally transport Discovery through various alternate universes and them having to try and find their way back home, sliders style. Lorca turning out to be from the Mirror Universe would be the big reveal at the end of the season and then bouncing around through various alternate universes would occupy the rest of Season 2, or something like that.
Basically, having Pike turn out to be an evil fucker from the Mirror Universe would be weird and confusing, and having the Enterprise spend several years hopping from one reality to the next would be a canon violation of the highest order. But then Fuller left the show, and Kurtzman (correctly or not) judged that Fuller's ideas just weren't going to work and decided to retool for a slightly more conventional Star Trek show. So the Klingon War becomes more important, the Mirror Universe ark gets condensed, and the war gets resolved in such a way that nothing much is really changed and we don't really have to deal with its consequences for a while.
I'd have to say mostly because Pike isn't as well known as Kirk.
Trek has become a lot about fanservice now, I've found.
Trek has become a lot about fanservice now, I've found.
Pike isn't just sexist. He wanted to quit his job and start investing in sex slaves. I wonder if that will come into play.
No, it wouldn't have, because the fan outrage would have been worse. See Exhibit A: Enterprise's appearance.
But more well known than the entire crew of the Discovery.
Yes, having the captain's back story would need tweaked a little bit to fit Pike instead of Lorca
Hell, you want real fan service and a clean slate? As someone suggested, a Captain April series with the first episode the maiden voyage of the Enterprise. 2245. Completely unknown. Could even do everything they did with Discovery including mirror universe shenanigans.
Mirror April could die and they could have rescued the real April when they were in the MU.
Potentially. But, expectations would remain and those are very difficult to shake.
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