Why not just make a Pike era show?

[fireproof78]

A Pike series would never work with the Discovery showrunners.

Largely because the fan base would rip them apart even more so than they are now for the canon and such.

At least with something original they can explore something a bit new, rather than bound by what people already know about Pike and expectations of his career. Look at the snit over Sarek, and magnify that even more.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Could you imaged the outrage of people like him if they made a woman the captain, again?

Impossible, per Turnabout Intruder.

 

[fireproof78]

Impossible, per Turnabout Intruder.

From a crazy person?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Impossible, per Turnabout Intruder.

I really have no idea what you mean here

 

[Lord Garth]

A Pike Series is a double-edged sword. Normally I'd recommend it as an alternative to Discovery so the "We Want Normal Star Trek!" Crowd would have their show and let the rest of us enjoy DSC in peace.

Except I think a Pike Series would drive those same people nuts because it wouldn't be like "The Cage". And I remember the whole "we have our series and you have yours, live and let live" thing didn't really work back in the '90s with DS9 and VOY. It would be the same thing all over again.

But, then again, all the people who think we should still be living in the Mad Men Era would come out of the woodwork, showing their true colors.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

A Pike Series is a double-edged sword. Normally I'd recommend it as an alternative to Discovery so the "We Want Normal Star Trek!" Crowd would have their show and let the rest of us enjoy DSC in peace.

Except I think a Pike Series would drive those same people nuts because it wouldn't be like "The Cage". And I remember the whole "we have our series and you have yours, live and let live" thing didn't really work back in the '90s with DS9 and VOY. It would be the same thing all over again.

They would never be happy unless it looked like a fan film. I can't see CBS wasting money on that

 

[Mudd]

Largely because the fan base would rip them apart even more so than they are now for the canon and such.

But mainly because these showrunners are so awful.

At least with something original they can explore something a bit new...

When are they gonna start doing that, again?

 

[fireproof78]

But mainly because these showrunners are so awful.

Yes, because we all know them so personally...

 

[Tim Thomason]

I really have no idea what you mean here

Turnabout Intruder "proved" (at one time, to some people) that women aren't allowed to be Starfleet captains. Even Star Trek Continues had an episode on that premise.

I was merely stating that the old Lester conundrum would be brought up ad nauseum, should a Pre-TOS female captain be featured more prominently.

 

[Lord Garth]

That is one thing that does not deserve to be canon. Admiral Cornwell and Captain Gergiou are proof of it. And so is Number One from "The Cage" as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to believe she hit the glass ceiling. No one will convince me of otherwise. "On-screen evidence" or not.

If anyone tries to defend "Turnabout Intruder" it's not going to make them look very good. This is not the horse they ought to back or the battle they should fight for.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Turnabout Intruder "proved" (at one time, to some people) that women aren't allowed to be Starfleet captains. Even Star Trek Continues had an episode on that premise.

I was merely stating that the old Lester conundrum would be brought up ad nauseum, should a Pre-TOS female captain be featured more prominently.

Retconned that bit of 60's non-sense out.

 

[fireproof78]

That is one thing that does not deserve to be canon. Admiral Cornwell and Captain Gergiou are proof of it. And so is Number One from "The Cage" as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to believe she hit the glass ceiling. No one will convince me of otherwise. "On-screen evidence" or not.

If anyone tries to defend "Turnabout Intruder" it's not going to make them look very good. This is not the horse they ought to back or the battle they should fight for.

Let's do it one better and burn that episode to the ground.

 

[Lord Garth]

Let's do it one better and burn that episode to the ground.

I'm almost with you there. Almost. Last year I found a new use for the episode...

Ignore everything before the transference, then pretend Lester-as-Kirk is Trump and Kirk-as-Lester is Hillary. Spock is Mueller and Sulu is leading The Resistance. Scotty and McCoy are the House and Senate.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm almost with you there. Almost. Last year I found a new use for the episode...

Ignore everything before the transference, then pretend Lester-as-Kirk is Trump and Kirk-as-Lester is Hillary. Spock is Mueller and Sulu is leading The Resistance. Scotty and McCoy are the House and Senate.

There is a much less painful to do that recreation.

 

[Jesse1066]

That is one thing that does not deserve to be canon. Admiral Cornwell and Captain Gergiou are proof of it. And so is Number One from "The Cage" as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to believe she hit the glass ceiling. No one will convince me of otherwise. "On-screen evidence" or not.

If anyone tries to defend "Turnabout Intruder" it's not going to make them look very good. This is not the horse they ought to back or the battle they should fight for.

"Turnabout Intruder" is a bad episode, but I maintain that the line "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" is best interpreted as meaning that Kirk, as a starship captain, doesn't have time for romantic attachment. Janice Lester stole Kirk's body not because she couldn't be a captain as a woman, but because she lost her chance by not staying in Starfleet and moving up the chain of command as Kirk did. This may not have been the intent of the writer, but the idea of Starfleet not allowing women to become captains is ridiculous and easily retconned away without dismissing this episode completely.

 

[jaime]

"Turnabout Intruder" is a bad episode, but I maintain that the line "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" is best interpreted as meaning that Kirk, as a starship captain, doesn't have time for romantic attachment. Janice Lester stole Kirk's body not because she couldn't be a captain as a woman, but because she lost her chance by not staying in Starfleet and moving up the chain of command as Kirk did. This may not have been the intent of the writer, but the idea of Starfleet not allowing women to become captains is ridiculous and easily retconned away without dismissing this episode completely.

It might be my age, but when I did get to TI, I never once read it as ‘no female captains’ because that didn’t even occur to me living in a world where there already were women in charge of many things. (Can say what you like about politics in the UK, but we’ve had a Queen forever, had them as huge historical figures in the past, and the Tories are on their second female Prime Minister. By the time you throw in our experiences of headmistresses and whatnot growing up, the idea that women aren’t allowed to be in charge of things just doesn’t seem real. Figures, and political readings and everything may say otherwise, but day to day experience says something else, here at least.)

 

[Mudd]

It's a one-off line from half a century ago.

Let it go.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yes, because we all know them so personally...

Are you sure that he didn't mean "awful" as showrunners?

 

[Lord Garth]

"Turnabout Intruder" is a bad episode, but I maintain that the line "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" is best interpreted as meaning that Kirk, as a starship captain, doesn't have time for romantic attachment. Janice Lester stole Kirk's body not because she couldn't be a captain as a woman, but because she lost her chance by not staying in Starfleet and moving up the chain of command as Kirk did. This may not have been the intent of the writer, but the idea of Starfleet not allowing women to become captains is ridiculous and easily retconned away without dismissing this episode completely.

I'd go with this interpretation as well. I meant the idea that women aren't allowed to serve as Captains doesn't deserve to be canon.

 

[fireproof78]

Are you sure that he didn't mean "awful" as showrunners?

The jury is still out.