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Why Not A "Strange New Worlds" Style Tech Manual?

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Dayton3

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I don't think I've suggested this before, but if you wanted a cheap way to publish a Star Trek technical publication, why not hold a contest much like the Strange New Worlds book series.

Ship designers among the fan community would send in their starship designs (I'm assuming Federation ships at least in the beginning).

The designs would included at least three views of each ship (fore, side, and from above), the dimensions of the ship, and a 100 to 200 word description of the ships design history.

There would be the following restrictions on submissions:

1) Ships would have to fit within the established onscreen Trek era. Roughly from the first year of Enterprise to within a decade of the end of Voyager.

2) The ships would have to be no more than 1,000 meters in length and no more than 400 meters wide. Roughly the size of a Romulan Warbird. This is to keep fans from submitting MONSTER ship designs while still allowing some flexibility.

3) The brief narrative would have to be reasonably consistent with established Trek history. In other words NO "the Federation built 1,000 of these ships and went on to conquer the galaxy" or "this ship destroyed over 100 Romulan vessels and won the war singlehandedly".

This type of "tech manual or ship recognition manual" would have some clear advantages:

1) Schematics are printed in black and white normally. No expensive color graphics.

2) It would most certainly include Trek designs from EVERY show era. Giving it some appeal to fans of each series.

3) The Strange New Worlds issues have done wonders to resolve any legal issues involving fan submissions.

Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
 
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Posted by Dayton3:
I don't think I've suggested this before, but if you wanted a cheap way to publish a Star Trek technical publication, why not hold a contest much like the Strange New Worlds book series.

Huh? How is that cheap? The published short stories in each SNW receive payment for their work (and three receive cash prizes as well). And the SNW volumes have to keep selling well or the annual contest would discontinue.

Pocket can't sell sufficient quantities of authentic tech manuals in the current ST climate! Why would fan entries in a SNW tech manual sell any better than the work of professionals?

There is a contest upcoming to design the USS Titan using the descriptions in the first Titan novel, "Taking Wing". Presumably that's as close as you'll get for the time being.
 
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Also, who'd buy it?

If I wasn't interested in Tech Manuels done buy pros (Which, quite frankly, I'm not. Tech Manuels are boring.) why would would I care in the slightest about Tech Manuels done by an amateur?

The same problem, lack of sales/interest would still apply.
 
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Well, i am interested in Tech manuals but I'd be very dubious of fanwork - most of it's rubbish. Although some is outstanding, as I'm reminded whenever I go into our art forum.

However - I don't really see any great savings to be done by this - nor is it really the type of Tech manual that people seem to want, which is more in the style of the TNG guide, than a book of artwork .
 
Most people buy tech manuals to have some semi-official answers and material to reference in other discussions

Fans are very divided also when it comes to technical issues. They see different things in the same ships. For example some see the Sovereign as warship, while others see it as multi-purpose vessel.
Everyone has his own opinions about un-established details.

A fan-made book would either have no coherent voice, or the editing process would filter out certain submissions just by content and not quality

A book contest with only art-work would be interesting. But that's not a tech manual
 
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Two years ago I looked into doing a fan-oriented tech book, the idea being to collect a variety of well-executed speculative ship designs in a single volume. Even came up with a title for it: Visions of Starfleet. Seemed like a fun idea. Couldn't make the numbers work.


Edited for clarity.
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Two years ago I looked into doing a fan-oriented tech book, the idea being to collect a variety of well-executed speculative ship designs in a single volume. Even came up with a title for it: Visions of Starfleet. Seemed like a fun idea. Couldn't make the numbers work.
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Bummer. Sounds like that could've been a pretty spiffy book.
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Two years ago I looked into doing a fan-oriented tech book, the idea being to collect a variety of well-executed speculative ship designs in a single volume. Even came up with a title for it: Visions of Starfleet. Seemed like a fun idea. Couldn't make the numbers work.

Ahh, so that's what happened to it...

Oh, well.

Best,
Alex
 
Re: Why Not A "Strange New Worlds" Style Tech Manu

Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Two years ago I looked into doing a fan-oriented tech book, the idea being to collect a variety of well-executed speculative ship designs in a single volume. Even came up with a title for it: Visions of Starfleet. Seemed like a fun idea. Couldn't make the numbers work.


Edited for clarity.

Was "Visions of Starfleet" envisioned as a color publication?

If so, why not consider a black and white publication? After all, the ST:TNG tech manual did well enough didn't it?
 
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Posted by Q420:
Also, who'd buy it?

If I wasn't interested in Tech Manuels done buy pros (Which, quite frankly, I'm not. Tech Manuels are boring.) why would would I care in the slightest about Tech Manuels done by an amateur?

The same problem, lack of sales/interest would still apply.
I'd be interested, and so would most Trekkies I've met.
There is a demand for these products; Pocket can't see it because such books have become too costly. When roleplaying games and tech manuals cost $30 - $60, I'm less likely to buy it.

Cutting out the costs for professional illustrators in favor of the much lower pay given to amateuers might make it practical. And just because you don't care about such things doesn't mean that the rest of us share your prejudices.
 
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Posted by Dayton3:
Was "Visions of Starfleet" envisioned as a color publication?

If so, why not consider a black and white publication?

We investigated a number of different options, including b&w variations.

After all, the ST:TNG tech manual did well enough didn't it?

Thirteen years ago, yes, it did.
 
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Posted by Darkwing:
Pocket can't see it because such books have become too costly. When roleplaying games and tech manuals cost $30 - $60, I'm less likely to buy it.

Cutting out the costs for professional illustrators in favor of the much lower pay given to amateuers might make it practical.

The cost paid to writers and illustrators is only part of the equation. The high production costs remain.

And around we go...
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Posted by Darkwing:
Pocket can't see it because such books have become too costly. When roleplaying games and tech manuals cost $30 - $60, I'm less likely to buy it.

Cutting out the costs for professional illustrators in favor of the much lower pay given to amateuers might make it practical.

The cost paid to writers and illustrators is only part of the equation. The high production costs remain.

And around we go...

I bet it's times like these when you feel tired of coming to these boards.
 
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Posted by Darkwing:
I'd be interested, and so would most Trekkies I've met.
Because of course, your circle of Trekkie friends is entirely representative of the fan-base as whole. :rolleyes:
 
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^Concerning Trek tech publications, this might very well be true. Probably there are only those fans who are rather active on the net, plus their immediate friends, all of whom are very much interested in Trek tech. However, that number of potential book buyers is too small to warrant a new tech manual or similar publications.

What I don't understand is how many people seem to have a problem realising that times change, and our preferences change with them. As Marco said, thirteen years ago, the TNG TM sold rather well, but it most likely wouldn't do so now.

Maybe in a few years, after ENT finished, when there's no weekly TV series, fan demand will increase once more, not only making possible more tech publications but also raising novel sales at the same time ...
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Posted by Darkwing:
Pocket can't see it because such books have become too costly. When roleplaying games and tech manuals cost $30 - $60, I'm less likely to buy it.

Cutting out the costs for professional illustrators in favor of the much lower pay given to amateuers might make it practical.

The cost paid to writers and illustrators is only part of the equation. The high production costs remain.

And around we go...

Marco, as a die hard trek techie I would love nothing more than to see more (any) trek tech books produced.

While I loved the DS9 tech manual, I think that that the need for all the color and 3d graphich was not as needed, and was what gave me the opinion that Pocket was combinding to much of the Art books and the tech books.

You answered the above when you said that the option of B&W (better for tech works if you ask me) was looked into.


But with reguards to the high production costs, why not offer the tech books as an Ebook? Surely then the authors and editors could produce what would be a $50 to $100 tech book for onely $20 - $30. And consedering that many of the trek techie fans who produce and read the fan internet tech works seem to be leaning into PDF style documents, we techie's are already used to a digital ebook style trek tech concept.
 
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Posted by hutt359:
But with reguards to the high production costs, why not offer the tech books as an Ebook? Surely then the authors and editors could produce what would be a $50 to $100 tech book for onely $20 - $30. And consedering that many of the trek techie fans who produce and read the fan internet tech works seem to be leaning into PDF style documents, we techie's are already used to a digital ebook style trek tech concept.

Two reasons:

1. The cost in talent and labor to create tech manual material, format it appropriately and encrypt it is still much higher than it is for the straight text that makes up the fiction ebooks. The ebook market is still a very, very small fraction of the print market.

2. As you point out, fan-created digital ST tech is already widely available for free all over the web. There's little incentive to purchase it in that format from Pocket.
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Two reasons:

1. The cost in talent and labor to create tech manual material, format it appropriately and encrypt it is still much higher than it is for the straight text that makes up the fiction ebooks. The ebook market is still a very, very small fraction of the print market.

I wasn't awary of that, thank you for clearing that up, perhaps in the future, when the E format is more cost effecient we could see a change. ;)

2. As you point out, fan-created digital ST tech is already widely available for free all over the web. There's little incentive to purchase it in that format from Pocket.

When there is a constant, real, possibility that a fandom tech producer could recive a cease and desist order (or worse) from the Viacom legal department, and after seeing what happened to that stargate SG1 fan site with the FBI inforcing a complaint from the MPAA and using the patriot act to confiscate all the fans computers and the imposition of fines, many fans would more likely to rather buy and download from Pocket than face a finacial and legal assalt against them. Many would rather "play it safe".


Also their is the fact that many of the fans consider something as "crap" or "lesser grade" if it comes mearly from fans and not out of "official" channels.


Both have seen a limit to how far the fandome works go on the net. Even this very board has to constently be on the watch to stay under the Viacom legal office radar, as has been admited by the board owners on several occasions.
 
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Posted by Marco Palmieri:
The cost paid to writers and illustrators is only part of the equation. The high production costs remain.

And around we go...
Not to be a smart-aleck, but does that mean it costs more to produce than the hardbacks, or just that you expect more sales of fiction than tech, so the costs aren't worthwhile? If the latter, how about adding a tech article to each new hardback, instead of producing a whole tech manual. This could be done either by professional creators or by Dayton's SNW method. In either case, they'd only be available in the hardbacks (and maybe only the first editions) as an incentive to buy hardback instead of waiting for the paperback.

Posted by SCMoll:
Because of course, your circle of Trekkie friends is entirely representative of the fan-base as whole. :rolleyes:
Considering I've met Trekkies from quite a few states and countries, and have done so in those countries, yes, at least more so than your circle.
 
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