I mean, based on reading through the "I've read this on Wikipedia" backstory to the Defiant and to the series as a whole approach the article takes then I am dubious as to the quality of the sourcing and how much of a pinch of salt to take with it
Why no movie for Deep Space Nine??
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Pretty dumb concepts anyway.
Why did the Defiant fail? It didn't. It held together for the whole battle, was still pummeling the Borg cube near the end of it, and probably would have blown a big chunk out of it if Worf had carried out his plan to ram it.
Why didn't the Defiant nuke the Borg? There was only one of it. If a ship was designed to paste the Borg as a fleet, one single ship probably won't do it. If Starfleet had carried out its plan to build a crapload of Defiant's, Picard might have been able to continue to patrol the Neutral Zone while the Borg Cube got hammered without his help.
Why wasn't Sisko there? He was doing his job on Deep Space 9. The Defiant was sent to Earth on unknown business, and Sisko assigned Worf to the task. So, he was conveniently present to join the battle.
Why did the Defiant fail? It didn't. It held together for the whole battle, was still pummeling the Borg cube near the end of it, and probably would have blown a big chunk out of it if Worf had carried out his plan to ram it.
Why didn't the Defiant nuke the Borg? There was only one of it. If a ship was designed to paste the Borg as a fleet, one single ship probably won't do it. If Starfleet had carried out its plan to build a crapload of Defiant's, Picard might have been able to continue to patrol the Neutral Zone while the Borg Cube got hammered without his help.
Why wasn't Sisko there? He was doing his job on Deep Space 9. The Defiant was sent to Earth on unknown business, and Sisko assigned Worf to the task. So, he was conveniently present to join the battle.
Why limit this question to "DS9"? Why not ask about movies for the casts of "VOY", "ENT" and other Trek shows that followed?
I don't agree. Shows like "Babylon 5" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" were also utilizing similar storytelling formats. And unless I'm wrong, I believe the first series to do this was "Hill Street Blues".
Because this is the DS9 forum
DS9 was the first series that didn't get a movie (excluding TAS that is), so in that respect it makes sense to ask it for DS9. Then again as I understand it, DS9 was never meant to be a flagship show like TNG was, and to go to the big screen after its conclusion. Even the way it was wrapped up proves that.
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I remember something said from the producers or was it the DS9 writers, that they weren't happy about the Defiant being included in First Contact and let alone it being destroyed!!! 
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Seeing it included could only be a benefit for them, since it reminded the moviegoers that DS9 was still there, and they, if you like Worf, we got him now.
Regarding destroying it, I totally get why the DS9 crew would be pissed. The Big D is one of their show's main elements, and these TNG scriptwriters want to blow it up just as a mere plot contrivance that will be forgotten 30 seconds later.
Regarding destroying it, I totally get why the DS9 crew would be pissed. The Big D is one of their show's main elements, and these TNG scriptwriters want to blow it up just as a mere plot contrivance that will be forgotten 30 seconds later.
The Defiant wasn't destroyed in FC. It was termed "adrift, but salvageable."
DS9 blew it up though, only to replace it several episodes later with pretty much an exact copy, which made it a pretty cheap, emotional gag.
Not sure the DS9 writers have a leg to stand on here if they really were irritated about FC.
Probably because, when the FC writers proposed destroying it, the DS9 crew told them to go stick their head in a pig.
Agreed. The Defiant should have been either lost for good, forcing Sisko to take a different ride, or replaced by a more advanced warship. Maybe use the Defiant template but add a few modifications: six pulse phasers instead of four, dual torpedo banks, multiplex ablative armor. That makes the message more: "you hurt us, we'll come back stronger!"
They really did. While replacing the Defiant with a copy was probably a mistake (one of DS9's few), the way they lost the original was played as a tragedy, not a quickly forgotten contrivance.
What would they call the Defiant's replacement? The Revenant?
The Defiant, NCC 74205-A. Just like the first galaxy class ship was called Enterprise. The original plan was to call her something else, but when Utopia Planitia found out that the USS Defiant had been lost, they changed their plans.
That would actually work as well, since the ship had a history with DS9. Its intro could be something like...
SISKO: "Our designers took all the lessons we learned in the war, from the Defiant and others, even some of what Voyager sent via Pathfinder. The Valiant class has an internal structure strong enough for her engines... dual warp core for redundancy, multidirectional pulse phaser arrays, two forward quantum torpedo launchers, Borg-inspired multiplexing shields, and multiple layers of ablative armor. And with her adaptive power grid, the Breen weapon will not be a problem."
SISKO: "Our designers took all the lessons we learned in the war, from the Defiant and others, even some of what Voyager sent via Pathfinder. The Valiant class has an internal structure strong enough for her engines... dual warp core for redundancy, multidirectional pulse phaser arrays, two forward quantum torpedo launchers, Borg-inspired multiplexing shields, and multiple layers of ablative armor. And with her adaptive power grid, the Breen weapon will not be a problem."
If I recall correctly, the Defiant replacement ship was actually named the USS Sao Paulo. It wasn't named any differently by Utopia Planitia. But Sisko then got special dispensation to rename her. Or are we talking about different things here?
All true. But I can't help thinking that a dominion war movie with proper marketing could have been huge. The perfect time to do it would have been after FC. It never made any sense to me for the federation to be fighting this very important war while the most advanced starship in the fleet is out chasing comets and mediating territorial disputes. Rick Berman once said that Gene Rodenberry was not fond of stories about war. But I have no doubt that a TNG crossover with DS9 during the dominion war would have been huge box office. I can't tell you how many of my friends at that time enjoyed FC even though they never cared for Star Trek. I have no doubt they would have enjoyed seeing dozens of ships waging war on the big screen. But the thinking at the time was for one cast to be in movies, another to be on T.V and never should the two mix. It's too bad because that would have been far more interesting than Insurrection.
Nice idea, except then they'd have to make new miniatures, have to shoot new footage for every shot of the ship instead of using stock footage, make new interior sets. For a show in its last season. Not sure the producers would be up for that.
Besides the Defiant class was still relatively new, Starfleet probably wouldn't have a new class of ship ready yet.
The Defiant was/is my favorite ship. I cried (really) when they blew it up!
How dare they do that to my ship!! But they did replace it.
Still should not have blown it up.
How dare they do that to my ship!! But they did replace it.
Still should not have blown it up.
"Tough little ship."
"LIttle?!"
"LIttle?!"
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