All this and character development too!
Why no movie for Deep Space Nine??
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It does make me wonder if any conversations are happening behind closed doors about revisiting the world of DS9.
DS9 was a very different story from the others and I wouldn't be totally on board with a brand new team of writers taking on its lore. I would want the original writers to come back. For some reason, though, I just feel like that's a real long shot.
DS9 was a very different story from the others and I wouldn't be totally on board with a brand new team of writers taking on its lore. I would want the original writers to come back. For some reason, though, I just feel like that's a real long shot.
Yeah, I can understand that too.
That's strange, because according to a video (a 3-way discussion) I saw on YouTube, the people that were on it (one of them being Cirroc Lofton) were asking why Brooks wasn't in any more movies and TV shows after DS9 had ended, with (IIRC) a conspiracy mentioned keeping him out of acting in the film and TV industry (as soon as I can find the specific video, I'll post it here.)
Same. I get it with people that there is this desire for things to last forever. Keep the same familiarity, and those wonderful warm fuzzies of nostalgia, all sounds extremely appealing but I think leaving it be, as a self-contained story works way better.
I'm sure I'm gonna get pushback for saying this: I think it's a different type of fan. So while nuTrek(STP, STD, etc...except SNW) may have gotten new fans, we have to keep in mind that these newer series are very different than 90's Trek that had generally more of a focus on the scifi rather than relationship drama. Again, the exception being SNW which is very much in the style of TOS and TNG. Granted, DS9 had that aspect of relationship drama but mostly couched within a scifi war story.
I remember back in the day talking with other Trek fans who just weren't onboard with DS9 and then fandom for Trek continued to drop off with each additional series(VOY and ENT).
Simply put as others have said, DS9 just wasn't that popular within Trek fans. Much less for a general audience.
I'm pretty sure Star Trek had exhausted the majority of its mainstream popularity by the end of the TNG films. By the time of the last 2, the box office returns were on the downward trend, & the final film was considered such a flop that it dashed even any plans for a 5th & final TNG film, which had loosely rumored intentions to include characters from some of the subsequent series, series which by that time were themselves concluding without much fanfare, or limping to a close, or never even getting off the ground well at all.
Many factors had diminished the brand imho, not the least of which might've been oversaturation, or imho an odd cinematic fit for the TNG cast, which had them presented very differently in the movies than they'd been in their show. Whatever the reason, Trek had doomed itself to stall, and none of the post-TNG productions had enough pop currency to rekindle it.
Many factors had diminished the brand imho, not the least of which might've been oversaturation, or imho an odd cinematic fit for the TNG cast, which had them presented very differently in the movies than they'd been in their show. Whatever the reason, Trek had doomed itself to stall, and none of the post-TNG productions had enough pop currency to rekindle it.
I'm not into the idea of continuing the DS9 story in terms of its plot.
However, if a series set on the station with a mix of old characters and new telling an entirely new story were tossed around, maybe. I'd want to know more, at least. Almost like a DS9: TNG. It'd be a hard sell for sure.
I've always said that I think the reason for Star Trek's decline in popularity wasn't because there's was too much of it, but, that it just wasn't as good as it used to be. Plain and simple.
Some of Star Trek's best writers were on TNG and DS9 and once they moved on to other things, the franchise never really got adequate replacements. The Enterprise docs on the BLU-RAYs go into this pretty heavily from that show's POV.
This isn't the only reason for it, I think, but, certainly a main one.
However, if a series set on the station with a mix of old characters and new telling an entirely new story were tossed around, maybe. I'd want to know more, at least. Almost like a DS9: TNG. It'd be a hard sell for sure.
I've always said that I think the reason for Star Trek's decline in popularity wasn't because there's was too much of it, but, that it just wasn't as good as it used to be. Plain and simple.
Some of Star Trek's best writers were on TNG and DS9 and once they moved on to other things, the franchise never really got adequate replacements. The Enterprise docs on the BLU-RAYs go into this pretty heavily from that show's POV.
This isn't the only reason for it, I think, but, certainly a main one.
Yeah, I can see that. Although, there's some blurred lines between the effects of oversaturation & spreading itself too thin. It's all kind of symptomatic of the same issue. Over-milking the cow, leaching the soil. Exploiting a thing to the point of its own detriment. Something this new generation might want to be wary of as well
From 2009 Trekmovie article.
Brooks: Narrating for PBS + Ready for DS9 movie, but "they better hurry"
https://trekmovie.com/2009/11/30/ca...abuse-updates-for-bakula-mulgrew-brooks-pine/
So it seems he was open to it but told them they better hurry. Time ran out. At this point it is pretty clear to me he's done.
Perhaps the recent comics, or whatever story dealing with his return you like can be considered official headcanon since there is so little chance of official contradiction. <ducks>
Brooks: Narrating for PBS + Ready for DS9 movie, but "they better hurry"
https://trekmovie.com/2009/11/30/ca...abuse-updates-for-bakula-mulgrew-brooks-pine/
So it seems he was open to it but told them they better hurry. Time ran out. At this point it is pretty clear to me he's done.
Perhaps the recent comics, or whatever story dealing with his return you like can be considered official headcanon since there is so little chance of official contradiction. <ducks>
DS9 was part of that decline, though. It lost viewers every season, ending with barely a third of what it had in the first season.
Agreed. The story that DS9 told was very much completed, it doesn't need any additions. Yes, there are a few loose ends and there will always be people who'll want to know more ('what happens to Odo in the great link? Will Garak succeed in rebuilding Cardassia?') but I doubt any such additions would have benefited the DS9 legacy as a whole.
Like the TNG movies didn't really do that much for the TNG series legacy by being so different in tone... and that series was very much more open-ended than DS9 (they simply continued exploring at the end).
Yeah, take your pick of reasons. It wasn't a popular enough show, by the time it ended the franchise was in a general state of decline anyway, its story was finished and it already had a perfect ending anyway. There are probably other reasons, but these would be the most notable.
I don't feel like I need to know if Sisko is ever going to return.
When Lower Decks went to Deep Space Nine, I thought it was an excellent decision to essentially just see everything as we left it. They didn't move the story ahead. Even Mariner mentions in an earlier episode that Sisko is still off doing "Founders stuff" or whatever the line is.
I don't disagree. Again, for me, it's not just because I think Star Trek wasn't as good as it once was, but when DS9 was ending, there were many more genre shows on the air - plus the sci-fi channel came into existence during that time. I think you could also look at it as television was changing, too. As popular as something is, at some point, that popularity is going to wane and audiences will move on.
It's all speculation, of course. I'm probably wrong.
When Lower Decks went to Deep Space Nine, I thought it was an excellent decision to essentially just see everything as we left it. They didn't move the story ahead. Even Mariner mentions in an earlier episode that Sisko is still off doing "Founders stuff" or whatever the line is.
I don't disagree. Again, for me, it's not just because I think Star Trek wasn't as good as it once was, but when DS9 was ending, there were many more genre shows on the air - plus the sci-fi channel came into existence during that time. I think you could also look at it as television was changing, too. As popular as something is, at some point, that popularity is going to wane and audiences will move on.
It's all speculation, of course. I'm probably wrong.
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DS9 never went to film because that was never the intention. When it started, the stars paid lip service to the idea that all Star Trek series move to the big screen once their television runs ended. However, both Behr and Berman have said things that show only TNG was thought of as the movie franchise. Indeed, Berman had admitted having felt put upon to have DS9 start before TNG ended and having Voyager before DS9 ended. Juggling different projects made him uncomfortable. (See his appearance on the Shuttlepod Show.) Perhaps if it had been a runaway show, minds would have changed, but the deck was stacked against it.
I was thinking that I would like to see more DS9, but I'm realizing that's only if they made a new DS9 show the same way they made the original. But they wouldn't. They would make a new DS9 show the same way they are making new Trek shows and I would end up disappointed. Probably best to just leave it alone.
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