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Why isn't Doctor Soong horribly inbred?

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As a die-hard Trekkie, I was thrilled when Star Trek Picard hit the screens, introducing a dark, gritty, and unflinching take on the beloved universe. The producers of the new series painted bold strokes, never shying away from showing vomiting, eyeball horror, gory fatalities, and the slow descent into madness of an Irumodic Syndrome-afflicted John-Luc Picard.

But as I delved into the show, I couldn't help but notice a glaring omission: despite 300+ years of what had to have been either some hardcore intermarrying or repeated cloning with zero genetic variety, every Doctor Soong we've seen has looked less like King Charles II of Spain and more like...old Data.

Are we supposed to believe that in the 24th century, inbreeding and clonal decay are suddenly non-issues? I don't buy it. Just imagine the potential for drama and intrigue if the showrunners had elected to tackle this topic head-on. Instead of every encounter with the various Doctor Soongs taking the milquetoast and somewhat predictable approaches that they did, we could have seen the Soongs portrayed as truly eccentric, with wildly exaggerated physical and psychological manifestations of their genetic legacies.

For example, Altan Soong could have been shown as barking mad, literally barking like a dog during conversations, much to the confusion and discomfort of those around him. Adam Soong could have been cross-eyed in such a way that his gaze was constantly shifting in totally different directions, making it difficult for anyone to maintain eye contact with him without feeling disoriented. Maybe Arik Soong could have even appeared in the recording on Daystrom Station, giving a rambling, disjointed speech while random teeth repeatedly fell out mid-sentence, leading to awkward pauses and frequent interruptions as he fumbled to retrieve them from the floor and reinsert them into his mouth.

Further, instead of the occasional displays of eccentricity we saw in the show, the Soongs could have been constantly plagued with strange and inexplicable sensory perceptions. They could have been shown smelling colors or tasting sounds, leading to bizarre and unpredictable outbursts in various social situations. These episodes of madness could have manifested in then suddenly breaking into impromptu tap dancing or singing opera at the top of their lungs in the middle of serious discussions.

The potential for dramatic moments would have been endless if Doctor Soong's gene problems had been portrayed with more creativity and depth. Instead of a stoic, reserved character who sometimes yells, we could have witnessed a truly unpredictable and eccentric Doctor Soong, whose behavior kept everyone on their toes and added an extra layer of complexity to the story.

Setting all of that aside, why aren't the Soongs accurately portrayed as the cautionary tale that their lineage would bear out? Has there been some in-universe explanation (or Twitter retcon from the writers) that would patch up what otherwise presents as a rather glaring hole in Picard's otherwise unforgiving realism? Why do you suppose the showrunners chose to not incorporate this obvious low-hanging fruit that practically writes itself? Perhaps the answer is yet to be revealed.
 
Are we supposed to believe that in the 24th century, inbreeding and clonal decay are suddenly non-issues?
Yes.
Setting all of that aside, why aren't the Soongs accurately portrayed as the cautionary tale that their lineage would bear out?
Because it's fiction and it's just having fun with the same actor playing family members, a long hold tradition in film upheld by Trek itself.
 
Repeat to yourself: It's just a show, I really should relax.
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Serenity now....insanity later ;)
 
The Soong thing has reached the level of unintentional parody for me. The nadir was having a 21st century Soong in PIC s2 look identical to his subsequent descendants hundreds of years later, but not a lot about season 2 made sense. My head canon explains it away as “something something cloning”. You just gotta roll with it, I guess. I don’t know anyone has come up with a Star Trek drinking game, but you’d definitely have to take a double shot each time a different yet strangely identical Soong pops up.
 
Could imagine the original Soong to be a time traveler from the 26th - 32th century (before the end of the temporal wars) that set up shop in the 21st century and cloned himself with future technology. The clones used the same genetic material again and again to keep the family alive via cloning.
 
So Brent Spiner likes to play Soongs. I don't see the problem here. :shrug:

There is always a certain amount of creative license when an actor plays multiple roles. I mean, nobody gives a :censored: when people like Vaughn Armstrong play like 14 different characters? Or Kate Mulgrew playing one of Janeway's ancestors ("11:59")? Same story here. It's just reusing an actor. No explanation is required. Just deal with it. :shrug:
 
Creative license. Same with Sela looking exactly like Yar. Other shows and movies have done this not just Trek. Not uncommon . Originally an Asian actor was going to play Soong. Once the decision was made to use Spiner, it opened the door to go in that direction. My selfish opinion is that more Brent Spiner is a good thing. Yeah it's become a bit of an Inside joke, but strangely enough, I don't mind it.
 
So Brent Spiner likes to play Soongs. I don't see the problem here. :shrug:

There is always a certain amount of creative license when an actor plays multiple roles. I mean, nobody gives a :censored: when people like Vaughn Armstrong play like 14 different characters? Or Kate Mulgrew playing one of Janeway's ancestors ("11:59")? Same story here. It's just reusing an actor. No explanation is required. Just deal with it. :shrug:
Indeed. Good grief, actors have played family members since TOS with Shatner being his brother. I don't see why there is an issue with Spiner playing out members of the Soong clan. Can accept matter/antimatter warp cores and transporters that don't kills people but an actor planning family members? Too far! :shrug:
 
The Rookie did several episodes where 2 of actors playing the police characters played crooks that looked exactly like them and they weren’t even related! It’s fiction not a documentary.
 
Season 2 actually helps head canon this. Adam Soong is a James Bond villain level narcissist who is also an expert at genetic engineering. It's not hard to imagine him doing some genetic engineering to ensure his descendants overwhelming reflect his genes. And Arik Soong might signal boost this as well.
 
Season 2 actually helps head canon this. Adam Soong is a James Bond villain level narcissist who is also an expert at genetic engineering. It's not hard to imagine him doing some genetic engineering to ensure his descendants overwhelming reflect his genes. And Arik Soong might signal boost this as well.

Thank you for the civil and insightful response. This hypothesis makes sense.
 
Thank you for the civil and insightful response. This hypothesis makes sense.
Some major points, like Picard's mother committing suicide during his childhood, Guinan living through the entire 20th century but then hitting her breaking point with circa 2020, and Laris / Tallinn make no sense. But on the margins, there's a lot in season 2 that builds on what came before, or at least slots in to pre-existing canon in a non-violent way.
 
As a die-hard Trekkie, I was thrilled when Star Trek Picard hit the screens, introducing a dark, gritty, and unflinching take on the beloved universe. The producers of the new series painted bold strokes, never shying away from showing vomiting, eyeball horror, gory fatalities, and the slow descent into madness of an Irumodic Syndrome-afflicted John-Luc Picard.

Earlier Trek shows had physical horror as well. Sometimes unprecedented for on-screen gore, sometimes merely implied - like what Hitchcock did to save on prosthetics and make-up budget.

But as I delved into the show, I couldn't help but notice a glaring omission: despite 300+ years of what had to have been either some hardcore intermarrying or repeated cloning with zero genetic variety, every Doctor Soong we've seen has looked less like King Charles II of Spain and more like...old Data.

Naah, it's just making the most out of a castmember who loves doing dual and triple roles - which was unprecedented by the time "Brothers" came out, and Spiner nailed it. (I'm not including the Buck Rogers episode where Princess Campala makes android doubles and one scene has 3 Bucks not acting fully simultaneously due to editing boo-boos as it was for one brief moment and not carrying any significant chunk or point to the episode. Ha! It's an unintentionally camp moment in an episode that is camp through the stratosphere of a planet in a system that's two hundred light years away...)

Are we supposed to believe that in the 24th century, inbreeding and clonal decay are suddenly non-issues? I don't buy it. Just imagine the potential for drama and intrigue if the showrunners had elected to tackle this topic head-on. Instead of every encounter with the various Doctor Soongs taking the milquetoast and somewhat predictable approaches that they did, we could have seen the Soongs portrayed as truly eccentric, with wildly exaggerated physical and psychological manifestations of their genetic legacies.

Gene loved pretending that STDs were as much as thing of the past along with the common cold, the latter of which was stated on screen so it's easy to imply the former as well. Would all humans still boink like guppies, though, if there was zero chance of disease? Back in 1975, sure, diseases had obtainable medications... some of which become resistant to the drugs for whatever reasons, leading to the "superbug" problems that people enjoy today but that's not important right now. It'd be embarrassing if the show needed a disclaimer shown on screen before the episode began...

As for curing inbreeding, since genetic engineering was forbidden, it's all a load of rubbish since the issues of inbreeding are at a direct genetic level at the start of development.

For example, Altan Soong could have been shown as barking mad, literally barking like a dog during conversations, much to the confusion and discomfort of those around him. Adam Soong could have been cross-eyed in such a way that his gaze was constantly shifting in totally different directions, making it difficult for anyone to maintain eye contact with him without feeling disoriented. Maybe Arik Soong could have even appeared in the recording on Daystrom Station, giving a rambling, disjointed speech while random teeth repeatedly fell out mid-sentence, leading to awkward pauses and frequent interruptions as he fumbled to retrieve them from the floor and reinsert them into his mouth.

Realistically speaking, yep.

But it's just the same actor in another role. At the same time, the implication that there's inbreeding may be a meretricious fallacy. Remember the good old days when sitcoms used that term? Dang nerds ruled the 1970s, even though the same shows poked fun at them... but I digress again.

Further, instead of the occasional displays of eccentricity we saw in the show, the Soongs could have been constantly plagued with strange and inexplicable sensory perceptions. They could have been shown smelling colors or tasting sounds, leading to bizarre and unpredictable outbursts in various social situations. These episodes of madness could have manifested in then suddenly breaking into impromptu tap dancing or singing opera at the top of their lungs in the middle of serious discussions.

Or they're a lineage of dopeheads, getting high to relax.

The potential for dramatic moments would have been endless if Doctor Soong's gene problems had been portrayed with more creativity and depth. Instead of a stoic, reserved character who sometimes yells, we could have witnessed a truly unpredictable and eccentric Doctor Soong, whose behavior kept everyone on their toes and added an extra layer of complexity to the story.

I'm half-amazed that Trek didn't go that far. It is an off-the-wall idea, but it doesn't not work... and wouldn't feel anything as contrived as other issues that have been talked to death far more than the herd just driven to the glue factory.

Setting all of that aside, why aren't the Soongs accurately portrayed as the cautionary tale that their lineage would bear out? Has there been some in-universe explanation (or Twitter retcon from the writers) that would patch up what otherwise presents as a rather glaring hole in Picard's otherwise unforgiving realism? Why do you suppose the showrunners chose to not incorporate this obvious low-hanging fruit that practically writes itself? Perhaps the answer is yet to be revealed.

Ostensible "realism". Again, there's more codswallop than in a fish farm. In the end, that's tv in a nutshell. :devil: But it genuinely is fun to watch. :techman: (And I eschewd the temptation to dive into an all-too-easy digression, as I am wont to do... :angel: Hey look, it's engineering, science, and captain tunic colors from TOS! :biggrin: There, command and helm yellow are now in too. :guffaw: )
 
I don't think any characters in-universe have ever pointed out the resemblance between the Soongs.

Except maybe Season 1?
 
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