Why is toxic fandom destroying everything?

[Ray Hardgrit]

I can't remember anyone complaining about the jetpack troopers, just the writing. In fact, I didn't remember the jetpack troopers at all until people brought them up, as they're in the film for like 10 seconds. It really does seem to be the dialogue that people have an issue with in this case.

 

[Set Harth]

I actually thought the jetpack troopers were kind of cool. It was the first time it felt like Disney had introduced something 'new' to the trilogy in terms of technological progression.

They weren't even new in the sense that we had already seen jetpack troopers in TCW. But yes, the sequel trilogy seemed generally lacking in technological progression.

 

[Owain Taggart]

They weren't even new in the sense that we had already seen jetpack troopers in TCW.

I'd forgotten about those, given that they were from a completely different era, serving a much different purpose. I guess I can assume they went back to some of their prior technology and applied it to their stormtroopers. Technological progression is one of my sore points with the trilogy. I really wish they had done better in that aspect.

 

[fireproof78]

They weren't even new in the sense that we had already seen jetpack troopers in TCW. But yes, the sequel trilogy seemed generally lacking in technological progression.

That's pretty normal in Star Wars. Just try playing The Old Republic.

 

[Commander Troi]

I was watching The Franchise on HBO last night. It's a comedy about making a superhero movie and many of the bits are obviously aimed at the MCU. Episode 3 was about "the woman problem". The (female) producer had to come up with some way to make the only female character in the movie more powerful. Then (of course), THE FANS found out and went nuts and they had to put all this security on the actress. It was funny and cringy and I wouldn't be surprised if some of it wasn't taken from real life. Highly recommended.

 

[UssGlenn]

So what, if they'd said nothing and just had the troopers flying the complainers wouldn't have just complained they could fly at all?

While you can justify the line by the First Order only recently deploying flying troopers, but Poe especially should not at all be surprised by flying troops, the concept has been around for ages, in universe. But they all act like the very concept of jetpacks is new to them. So while there isn't anything technically wrong, it doesn't feel authentic.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
This.

 

[fireproof78]

Never saw the issue. It was a quip from someone not expecting it, and a quiet resignation of someone who probably knew about it but hated seeing them in action.

I have no idea why it's hated. It feels funny and a moment of levity in the adventure movie.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Never saw the issue. It was a quip from someone not expecting it, and a quiet resignation of someone who probably knew about it but hated seeing them in action.

I have no idea why it's hated. It feels funny and a moment of levity in the adventure movie.

People were getting sick of Marvel-style quippy dialogue by that point, and it felt incongruous with the writing in earlier movies.

 

[Anwar]

People were getting sick of Marvel-style quippy dialogue by that point, and it felt incongruous with the writing in earlier movies.

IE, it wasn't wannabe-epic enough? Not pretentious enough?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It didn't sound like a campy earnest '30s serial channelled through a gritty '70s film-making style by an indie director who was more concerned with visuals and editing than dialogue or directing his actors and yet somehow hit the jackpot. It sounded like generic off-brand action movie banter without flavour or identity.

 

[fireproof78]

People were getting sick of Marvel-style quippy dialogue by that point, and it felt incongruous with the writing in earlier movies.

Oh please.

Star Wars always had quips. It had them before Marvel. It wasn't pretentious and stuffy.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Practically everything Leia said was a quip!

 

[Owain Taggart]

And SW in general has never been known for great dialogue.

 

[Gaith]

"They fly now" was an awkward humor beat, seeing as jetpacks had been around for decades if not centuries (if not millennia) by that point, but it was hardly a terrible moment. The lightspeed skipping sequence, on the other hand, made as much sense as the Starbucks cups in Game of Thrones - and at least that was an accident.

If we're going to talk Sequel Trilogy cringe, however, nothing beats Rose smooching a bewildered Finn and telling him "We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love!" But, because of certain non-textual factors concerning Rose, it's considered impolite to point out what a truly terrible character Rian Johnson wrote.

 

[Owain Taggart]

If we're going to talk Sequel Trilogy cringe, however, nothing beats Rose smooching a bewildered Finn and telling him "We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love!"

And that quote is particularly awkward because of what it suggests between the two characters and what they did with the characters in the following movie. Or rather, what they didn't do.

 

[Commander Troi]

Yeah, I was really disappointed they didn't follow up with Rose and Finn.

 

[JD]

Yeah, the way they dropped that was odd and disappointing.
I've never had a problem with the whole "the fly now" exchange, and honestly am a little confused by why so many people seem to hate it so passionately.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think it's more of an example of one of the many things they dislike than it being the one thing in particular that annoys them. The film had already lost a lot of people at that point and that made it very easy for them to spot flaws.

Personally when I heard how bad the film was I spoiled the whole plot for myself in advance and went into it with a "let's have fun with a rubbish movie" frame of mind, but I can see why other fans would be less amused.

 

[The Wormhole]

Star Wars always had quips. It had them before Marvel.

And even then, quips are not something the MCU invented, no matter how many people want to claim otherwise.