And what happens at the border line between both kinds of space? And how do they turn into each other and what does it look like?
Why is "the edge of the universe" in WNOHGB so different compared to regular space?
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Well all they had to do was instil a fear in us the viewers. And what better way than to try to describe the edge of the known universe and that what lies beyond it is something that we could not be able to comprehend regarding our current science and or religious beliefs! 
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Just like the galactic barrier in WNMHGB, it's total nonsense.
The astrophysical concept of the end of the universe puzzled me for a long time, but then I understood what they mean.
The universe is defined and measured by the objects and matter in it. Beyond that, there is nothing that can be measured.
There is no border; just the matter gets more diffuse until finally there's nothing more beyond it.
The astrophysical concept of the end of the universe puzzled me for a long time, but then I understood what they mean.
The universe is defined and measured by the objects and matter in it. Beyond that, there is nothing that can be measured.
There is no border; just the matter gets more diffuse until finally there's nothing more beyond it.
It's one of the reasons why I love "Where No One Has Gone Before"... it's a complete mystery.
And frankly, it should be. Whether we talk about the 20th century audience or the 24th crew being portrayed, that level of mystery should be mysterious.
And frankly, it should be. Whether we talk about the 20th century audience or the 24th crew being portrayed, that level of mystery should be mysterious.
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I also love the episode for the same reason, but would also really like to see this setting return in a sequel. Maybe in a new show, season or movie with exploring this place as the main concept.
Another single episode would most likely just be a rehash.
It's one of those places that I really like on a conceptual level, like as you get further out into the universe things get weird and laws of physics don't matter, and I've never felt the need to go anywhere past that in-universe.
Land of creation, the edge is still expanding and still being created. The edge of another dimension
Think that's why the place has a lot of potential for a lot of fascinating episodes. You could do so much in and with this location.
I love the idea of a place in the universe, or in this case the edge of it, where the laws of physics don't apply at all. It completely opens up ALL possibilities. And while that may tread closer to being science fantasy than science fiction, does that really matter? Submarines were considered a fantasy long ago, and we've got them everywhere.
TNG has lots of episodes like this, for example, all humanoid lifeforms being created by ancient race. Were the writers planning to use that later? I can't trust that similar episodes were been able to be created just to be mentioned once
TNG has lots of episodes like this, for example, all humanoid lifeforms being created by ancient race. Were the writers planning to use that later? I can't trust that similar episodes were been able to be created just to be mentioned once
Yeah, but for the "edge" the writers wrote themselves into a corner with the Traveler mentioning that humans weren't supposed to reach this place at that time.
So a sequel needs to be in the farther future. Maybe in a show set in the 26th century at the earliest or even better in the 32nd century, considering Discovery's ability to bridge really big distances with it's spore drive
It's one of those zany episodes, but at the same time there's some thought under it. Would you really want the human species to acquire Q-like powers (basically what they think happens) before they've learned to control their thoughts? The Traveler says not, and this episode shows that what the results could be, both for humans themselves and everything they come in contact with, and they aren't necessarily pretty.
Also, the word 'edge' isn't used. They do say they're 'over a billion light years from our galaxy', and Picard's mother uses the term 'as they say, the end of the universe'. So I don't think they are necessarily at the physical edge of the universe - if such a thing even exists. More like a place that transcends their conception of the universe. Imho, Picard basically acknowledges this when he says: I believe there may be a warp speed that can get us beyond Galaxy M Thirty Three, but there is no velocity of any magnitude that can possibly bring us wherever this is.
Also, the word 'edge' isn't used. They do say they're 'over a billion light years from our galaxy', and Picard's mother uses the term 'as they say, the end of the universe'. So I don't think they are necessarily at the physical edge of the universe - if such a thing even exists. More like a place that transcends their conception of the universe. Imho, Picard basically acknowledges this when he says: I believe there may be a warp speed that can get us beyond Galaxy M Thirty Three, but there is no velocity of any magnitude that can possibly bring us wherever this is.
By the way, i think the way the Traveler interacted with the crew, what he said to Wesley and Picard, and what he seems to know about human history could imply that his species aren't simply aliens but far future humans...
By the way, i think the way the Traveler interacted with the crew, what he said to Wesley and Picard, and what he seems to know about human history could imply that his species aren't simply aliens but far future humans...
There's another episode that connects great or even infinite velocity with the far future of humanity.
It showed us we'll become lizards.
Goodbye, dreams of us becoming like the Traveler, or Q!
Lol. What if Tom simply thought too much about his lounge lizard days in Marseilles during the Warp 10 experiment
Very humorous indeed
I think it's only one of possible branches of evolution, or because it can't be evolution without generations changing, only one person, so it's more like a genetical mutation caused by radiation. May be an unknown type of radiation "triggered" parts of "sleeping" DNA, and, conflicting with human's actual DNA, caused "lizardisation"
"Is There in Truth No Beauty?" has the TOS Enterprise going to a weird-looking space outside the galaxy that Kirk refers to as an "unknown void" and that Spock calls "a spacetime continuum" that is " far outside our own galaxy" and that lacks "traceable reference points," that they entered after exceeding warp 9.5.
I'd posit that this void and where the Ent-D ends up in WNOHGB could be similar in some way.
I'd posit that this void and where the Ent-D ends up in WNOHGB could be similar in some way.
Nothing beyond it, meaning just space or Black Matter?
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