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Spock: '... thereby creating an entirely new chain of events...'
Parallel universe. Altered Timeline.
Ultimately these are the same things only by a different name.
Why is ST09's altered timeline a problem?
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Spock: '... thereby creating an entirely new chain of events...'
Parallel universe. Altered Timeline.
Ultimately these are the same things only by a different name.
I don't think they are the same thing. But for most movie goers it's sci-fi doubletalk that amounts to the same thing. And as far as we know JJ and company may not know the difference either.
This. Given Star Trek's multiverse theory.
He isn't. Spock Prime isn't around for those events.
Except it is clear that the narrator in the intro and all the exposition narrations is Spock Prime (voiced by Nimoy which is cool!) giving an overview on things that have occured since he went MIA.
But why do Star Trek at all then? They could have made up their own "much cooler" characters and spaceships.
Ultimately, my concern for the whole alternate timeline was that I wouldn't give a shit about anything that was happening.
And I didn't.
I didn't care when Mirror Sisko or Parallel Universe Riker died and I didn't care when Mirror/Parallel Vulcan is blown up. Trek XI was like watching the dullest Mirror Universe episode ever where the only difference is that things are a bit shinier, no-one really gives a shit when planets and spaceships blow up, and the potential drama of orginal characters running into their mirror counterparts is limited to a fan-service exchange after the fact.
And I didn't.
I didn't care when Mirror Sisko or Parallel Universe Riker died and I didn't care when Mirror/Parallel Vulcan is blown up. Trek XI was like watching the dullest Mirror Universe episode ever where the only difference is that things are a bit shinier, no-one really gives a shit when planets and spaceships blow up, and the potential drama of orginal characters running into their mirror counterparts is limited to a fan-service exchange after the fact.
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This new "chain of events" can equally mean that this is a new time line within the same universe instead of a parallel universe. "Creating an entirely new chain of events" is a very vague and ambiguous line.
No... not internal to him. I felt that the alternate reality nonsense sucked the drama right out of the film.
These aren't Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Enterprise and Vulcan.
They're a "Kirk", a "Spock", a "McCoy", an "Enterprise" and a "Vulcan".
I'm reminded of a quote from Up the Long Ladder, "One William Riker is unique, perhaps even special. But a hundred of him, a thousand of him diminishes me in ways I can't even imagine." And I believe that in the long run this alternate reality nonsense will harm Trek in ways Paramount can't imagine.
As are all my feelings regarding everything ever. Your point?
To folks just tuning in; this isn't a fact. Please do not treat it as such.
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If they were the same original characters, then that would mean that the events of the altered timeline have in fact erased and overwritten all that we know of the events of the prime universe. I prefer to believe that the Abramsverse is a completely separate alternate universe in and of itself and not connected to the Prime at all other than possibly OldSpock - if he is ineed from the prime, that is. For STXI to be an alternate reality/universe, these must, by definition, be different people. The original characters we know are still in their/our universe totally unaware of the existence of the other versions of themselves in the Abramsverse while the NuTrek versions are in the Abramsverse doing their thing unaware of their counterparts trotting along in the Prime Universe. They are separate people if you believe the alternate reality plot. That is a fact - at least according to the writers.
I-Am-Zim
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I-Am-Zim
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In your opinion. My interpretation is that an "Altered Timeline" is just that, a timeline that has been altered, the events after the alteration are changed from what they were originally - see Back To The Future or any TOS time travel episode. Whereas a "Parallel Universe" is just that, a universe that exists separate but in parallel to our own - See "Parallels"-TNG. There are many ways to interpret these theories. That's why they are called theories, they can't be tested or proven. Opinions differ. Your opinion is not a fact, neither is mine. Therefore, we must agree to disagree on this.
And I'm not picking nits. Proponents like to point out what the writers have said in behind the scenes interviews to illustrate their points. I'm only using a page from that book to prove my own point.
Again, not a fact.
Either Spock passed into a Parallel Universe, or he passed into the Alternate Reality created by Nero, Stardate 2233.04.
Evidence: Spock notices differences that cannot be fixed between events that have transpired and events as he remembered them.
If a linear model comes into play, aka "Altered Timeline", then basic Cause and Effect creates a Paradox.
This Paradox is a physical impossibility, therefore leaving the truth.
The altered timeline, parallel universe, multiverse-whatever, is only a problem if you allow it to bother you.
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