Why is Janeway worse than Sisko when it comes to ...

[xortex]

simple. Janeway's first decision to destroy the caretaker's array was an obvious mistake, and one that only stranded them like forever away from Earth. You don't live that down.

 

[Anwar]

So if you were in her position, you'd have just abandoned an entire race to basically die, and give ultra-powerful tech to a bunch of psycho-pirates?

 

[Thrall]

Anwar said:
So if you were in her position, you'd have just abandoned an entire race to basically die, and give ultra-powerful tech to a bunch of psycho-pirates?

A few timed mines could have taken care of that, while I used the array to get home. But granted, this is Voyager and that would have made too much sense.

 

[mattwitz]

Although I wouldn't have destoyed the Caretakers Array, you have to admit, it was a very "noble starfleet" thing to do.

 

[Anwar]

The Array wasn't an option. Being brought there damaged the ship and killed several people, being sent back would've done the same thing over again.

 

[14thDoctor]

mattwitz said:
Although I wouldn't have destoyed the Caretakers Array, you have to admit, it was a very "noble starfleet" thing to do.

Yup.

I could easily see Kirk, Picard or Riker making the same sacrifice.

Sisko and Archer, possibly.

 

[DonIago]

Anwar said:
The Array wasn't an option. Being brought there damaged the ship and killed several people, being sent back would've done the same thing over again.

I'm not sure that's a valid assumption, as, among other things, Voyager was unprepared when it was brought to the Delta Quadrant. For all we know simply using seat-belts could have saved some lives (like Cabot's).

 

[xortex]

She was a gullable bleeding heart. Kirk would have found another answer to the no win scenario. She broke the prime directive based on the word of some banjo plucking alien. She deserved what she got. If the alien was the bad guy, why should she believe him. Appearances are very decieving.

 

[Anwar]

What proof was there that he was a bad guy? The Ocampa would've backed up any claims he made, and the Kazon never mentioned anything about "the evil alien in the Array".

Kirk's never faced a no-win scenario, and the one time he did (Khan) it was no-win since he lost Spock in the process, and then when he got him back he lost David too.

 

[xortex]

The banjo picker didn't know he was evil until Janeway explained it to him and how he held the Ocampa back from evolving to the surface. We don't know the Kazon would have annihilated the Ocampa. That was just something the alien told us that could have been as equally wrong. Maybe the Ocampa and the Kazon would have became friends and found a peaceful solution to their problems but Janeway excluded that possibility by destroying the array right away. Just like a woman. If Hillery is elected we're all doomed. Does the term hot flash mean anything to anybody.

 

[DWF]

xortex said:
The banjo picker didn't know he was evil until Janeway explained it to him and how he held the Ocampa back from evolving to the surface. We don't know the Kazon would have annihilated the Ocampa. That was just something the alien told us that could have been as equally wrong. Maybe the Ocampa and the Kazon would have became friends and found a peaceful solution to their problems but Janeway excluded that possibility by destroying the array right away. Just like a woman. If Hillery is elected we're all doomed. Does the term hot flash mean anything to anybody.

No the Caretaker knew he was in the wrong when he messed up the Ocampa planet and in the end destroying the array was a risk and taking that risk meant that Janeway couldn't be compared to the others even though they pretty much all would've made the same choice IMO.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

xortex said:
The banjo picker didn't know he was evil until Janeway explained it to him and how he held the Ocampa back from evolving to the surface. We don't know the Kazon would have annihilated the Ocampa. That was just something the alien told us that could have been as equally wrong. Maybe the Ocampa and the Kazon would have became friends and found a peaceful solution to their problems but Janeway excluded that possibility by destroying the array right away. Just like a woman. If Hillery is elected we're all doomed. Does the term hot flash mean anything to anybody.

Leave the political shots out of it please

 

[Malcom]

JingleBell Jarok said:

xortex said:
The banjo picker didn't know he was evil until Janeway explained it to him and how he held the Ocampa back from evolving to the surface. We don't know the Kazon would have annihilated the Ocampa. That was just something the alien told us that could have been as equally wrong. Maybe the Ocampa and the Kazon would have became friends and found a peaceful solution to their problems but Janeway excluded that possibility by destroying the array right away. Just like a woman. If Hillery is elected we're all doomed. Does the term hot flash mean anything to anybody.

Leave the political shots out of it please

And the sexist tripe.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yes, that should be left out too

 

[Anwar]

Yeesh, reminds me of this nutbag reviewer who would go on about stuff like how "Alien" was a political commentary with Ripley and co acting unilaterally to kill the alien for fear of weapons of mass murdering capability.

 

[exodus]

mattwitz said:
I don't think she was always right. I mean, look at her in "Equinox", she totally flies off the hook and goes way overboard. Although she in most circumstances she ends up being right. I mean, she is the captain and the captains never wrong. Plus, how many times did you see Sisko do something wrong? Everything he did seemed to be justified by him being "the chosen one" prophet.

Taylor had left the show way, way before Equinox though.

 

[xortex]

It was a rash decicion on Janeways part. Kirk would have toughed it out some more and demanded a third option.

 

[Anwar]

Tuvok said it would've taken weeks to decipher the Array's technology, and the Kazon were constantly attacking. They could either try to tough it out and likely get killed by the Kazon and they get the Array, or they blow it then and there and keep it out of Kazon hands.

 

[xortex]

And the Kazon are naturally going to understand it. Umm, Janet Reno.

 

[exodus]

xortex said:
And the Kazon are naturally going to understand it. Umm, Janet Reno.

They were smart enough to know how to fly & land Voyager without any former know how.