I say we give an Oberth. It shows some real balls to command your fleet from one of those claptraps. The USS Robau, perhaps.In DS9 remastered they better make Ross's flagship a Prometheus-class vessel
Why is Gen. Martok's ship a bird-of-prey?
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I say we give an Oberth. It shows some real balls to command your fleet from one of those claptraps. The USS Robau, perhaps.In DS9 remastered they better make Ross's flagship a Prometheus-class vessel
Oberth? Please, Ross has more guts than that. He commanded the Ninth Fleet from a Daedalus-class starship.
Er, no, wait! He commanded the NX-03!
That's what it became in the novels: the USS Cerebus I believe.In DS9 remastered they better make Ross's flagship a Prometheus-class vessel
That's what it became in the novels: the USS Cerebus I believe.In DS9 remastered they better make Ross's flagship a Prometheus-class vessel
I like the name Cerberus as a name for a Prometheus-class vessel. A mythological kind of theme.
RobertScorpio
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Maybe Martok was just a huge General Chang fanboy and demanded to command a BOP to blow stuff up?
Yep...I think NEGVARs are like the Galaxy class...pretty much cruise-ships with to much comfort...BOPs are throw-backs to a more 'raw' time, and that is why Martok, a real Klingon (as opposed to Work who isn't) prefers one..
Rob
Maybe Martok was just a huge General Chang fanboy and demanded to command a BOP to blow stuff up?
Yep...I think NEGVARs are like the Galaxy class...pretty much cruise-ships with to much comfort...BOPs are throw-backs to a more 'raw' time, and that is why Martok, a real Klingon (as opposed to Work who isn't) prefers one..
Rob
I'm sorry, are you seriously going to argue that the Klingons would build a bigger and more powerful ship for any reason other than to pack more weapons and warriors into it?
The Negh'Var-class warship is a powerful ship, not a cruise liner. And the IKS Sword of Kahless kicks ass.
RobertScorpio
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Maybe Martok was just a huge General Chang fanboy and demanded to command a BOP to blow stuff up?
Yep...I think NEGVARs are like the Galaxy class...pretty much cruise-ships with to much comfort...BOPs are throw-backs to a more 'raw' time, and that is why Martok, a real Klingon (as opposed to Work who isn't) prefers one..
Rob
I'm sorry, are you seriously going to argue that the Klingons would build a bigger and more powerful ship for any reason other than to pack more weapons and warriors into it?
The Negh'Var-class warship is a powerful ship, not a cruise liner. And the IKS Sword of Kahless kicks ass.
i was reading one of the trek books where one of the klingons complained that the NEGVAR was too "comfortable"
And do I think the Klingons of PICARD's time would build a cushy ship? Ummmm...yes I do. Gowron/Kmpec already proved that Klingon honor was a facade. So, I could easily see some of them having pillows on their beds now...being pals of the Federation has soften them...IMO
Rob
Funny thing, K'mpec told Picard that the guy who poisoned him would be capable of anything including war with the Federation.
And what does Gowron do in S4 of DS9?
Anyways, the Vorcha is supposed to be the Galaxy-class for the Klingons. I think the Negh'Var is their Sovereign class.
It's new now, but in the future it will be the standard border patrol vessel. At least in the AGT future it was (where we saw the Negh'Var for the first time).
And what does Gowron do in S4 of DS9?
Anyways, the Vorcha is supposed to be the Galaxy-class for the Klingons. I think the Negh'Var is their Sovereign class.
It's new now, but in the future it will be the standard border patrol vessel. At least in the AGT future it was (where we saw the Negh'Var for the first time).
I believe in a S7 episode (Once more unto the Breach?) he states he prefers a bird of prey to a larger ship because of its speed and maneuverability- or something to that effect. I like this idea that choosing to command a B.O.P. as being a status symbol or a way to honor the empires glorious past.
They're not as fast or manoeuvrable?
At sea, it was quite common in the past for Admirals in the Royal Navy to be house on Cruisers rather than Battleships, even in fleets with both. HMS Belfast was fully fitted as a flagship.
You do not need to be on the biggest most powerful ship to be in command either, at River Plate for example the small Ajax served as the flagship for Commodore Harwood rather than the larger Exeter, or Cumberland which was usually part of his squadron.
I'm not really concerned with size so much as power/safety. I'd say the Defiant was the safest ship to be on in those DS9 fleets, followed by the Galaxy-class ships. We never saw any Defiant or Galaxy class ships get destroyed, whereas we saw dozens of Miranda and Excelsior class vessels bite the dust. If I was on a Miranda, I'd feel like I was on a suicide mission. Same goes for the BOPs.
RobertScorpio
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LOL...I wonder how some cadet felt at the posting of his first tour, when finding out they were posted on a Miranda class-ship. In the Navy, at least when I went through, the better you did in Bootcamp/A-School, the better choices you had...
Those on the bottom or the list? Not so.
Rob
But the survivability of the Defiant was mostly an artifact of her having the heroes aboard...
In general, there's inherent conflict in using a powerful combat ship as a flagship. The power of the ship is wasted if she hangs back and issues commands - yet the issuing of commands becomes difficult if not impossible if the powerful ship is operating in the thick of combat.
That's another reason why WWII flag officers didn't do much commanding from aboard battleships. With the big guns blasting at the enemy (be it in ship-to-ship combat or amphibious assault), it was nearly impossible to maintain radio communications with the rest of the forces. And the superb range of battleship guns combined with radar fire control would have been badly wasted if the ship were to maneuver in such a way that a flag officer aboard her could keep track of the rest of the fleet.
Which is why I gather that Ross would have commanded from a relatively fast, relatively powerful ship with a large crew and large facilities for simultaneously fighting a battle and coordinating it. Not the biggest, not the fastest, not the most powerful (so as not to waste those assets), but something with moderate potency.
And yes, the Bellerophon sounds like a fine ship for the purpose. But the very fact that this ship ferried Ross to Romulus makes her unlikely to be Ross's flagship. It would be too much of a coincidence; the Bellerophon isn't Ross's own ship in "Inter Arma" by any onscreen evidence, so why would she become one later on?
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