It would have been funny if Janeway just gave everyone promotions and there was no one to take the orders
Why does Harry Kim never get promoted?
- Thread starter B. L.
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Right, but you would think that the captain would have wisdom enough to realize such an act would not sit well with her actual crew, which is obvious by Kim's own comments about it.
She should have promoted Kim.
"Someone has to be the Ensign."
The captain is still in direct charge of the ship and crew, no matter the relative ranks between them and any other officers on board. That's why the captain has to be relieved before, say, an admiral assumes command.It would have been funny if Janeway just gave everyone promotions and there was no one to take the orders
Maybe he cared that they obviously neglected the character, in that way and worse.
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And therein we have our answer. Harry Kim was not promoted because his Captain didn't see the need.
And yet he still got to command (both Voyager and the alien ship with the prototype cloak).
I think some people forgot his first name wasn't "Ensign," so they just kept using that.
I think some people forgot his first name wasn't "Ensign," so they just kept using that.
Lack of openings
Also he did have some important duties-he was a senior staff member and was sitting on meetings with the captain and the other high ranking crew members. He captained the ship when Janeway was asleep a few times a week-not something every ensign gets to do.
Also he was a captain in the original endgame timeline, so he probably got quickly promoted once voyager got home.
Also he did have some important duties-he was a senior staff member and was sitting on meetings with the captain and the other high ranking crew members. He captained the ship when Janeway was asleep a few times a week-not something every ensign gets to do.
Also he was a captain in the original endgame timeline, so he probably got quickly promoted once voyager got home.
I suppose the problem is awarding the Maqui and ex-cons with ranks above those who are legitimate officers, and not rewarding legitimate officers.
Does that make sense?
It does make sense. I must admit I felt sorry for Carey when B'Elanna became Chief Engineer over him. It would have been humbling to say the least to be taking orders from the Maquis. I also felt that Janeway started to place Chakotay above her friend Tuvok in some instances beyond actual situations requiring chain of command. However it was a smart move to give the Maquis the responsibility of being Federation officers and crew. To assimilate them.
For seven years though? I've worked at a company for 12 years and been promoted on average every three...
Also, three of the people you listed are essentially civilians and the fourth likely wasn't programmed to consider rank one way or another...though eventually he does bring up the ECH concept.
Congratulations, seriously
However I know many people who feel lucky to have a job and promotion for us mere mortals (civilians) might require extra pay that the boss does not have a budget for. NOT that that is an issue for Voyager and their journey. I just figure that it was low priority for Janeway to promote Harry or any of the other ensigns. He certainly didn't earn it fresh out the gate in Caretaker and thereafter his service was patchy. He did do night shift captaincy.I wonder whether the Starfleet Captain's Guide recommends promoting ensigns after X amount of time barring good reasons not to... In other words, whether Harry should have had a reasonable expectation of getting promoted.
Seven years as an ensign does seem like a reflection upon him, though.
Seven years as an ensign does seem like a reflection upon him, though.
I mean if its anything like government work, dude should have promoted a couple of times unless he was a real screw up.
Realistically, there's a very good chance the crew would have mutinied against the captain.
1. Stranding them 75,000 light years away from home, deviating from their mission, with a unilateral decision to save a species that Starfleet had no business interfering in to begin with, essentially dooming everyone on board to probable certain death.
2. Appointing ex-cons, traitors, and terrorists (the enemy of the Federation) to positions of power above Starfleet officers.
We've seen this behavior several times in Star Trek history. If there was ever a reason to mutiny, this is it.
1. Stranding them 75,000 light years away from home, deviating from their mission, with a unilateral decision to save a species that Starfleet had no business interfering in to begin with, essentially dooming everyone on board to probable certain death.
2. Appointing ex-cons, traitors, and terrorists (the enemy of the Federation) to positions of power above Starfleet officers.
We've seen this behavior several times in Star Trek history. If there was ever a reason to mutiny, this is it.
I don't know about a full-on mutiny, but I certainly think Voyager strained the suspension of disbelief by having such an overall lack of dissension in the ranks.
If they hadn't been so fearful of serialization, I would have loved to have seen them build up some recurring characters (similar to what they did with Hogan et al. in S2; shame they never did that again), and later, have some of those characters opt to leave the ship. We did see eps where VOY contacted friendly civilizations; if they had extended contact it's easy enough to believe that someone could find themselves wanting to embrace a new opportunity rather than continuing on the voyage of the damned. Perhaps especially after they learned the Maquis had been wiped out.
I think VOY erred by making the Kazon so uniformly hostile as well. What if there'd been a perfectly reasonable branch of them that VOY encountered from time to time? If they were fighting the Nistrim to bring the Kazon in general toward less belligerent ways, I could see some of the Maquis sympathizing.
If they hadn't been so fearful of serialization, I would have loved to have seen them build up some recurring characters (similar to what they did with Hogan et al. in S2; shame they never did that again), and later, have some of those characters opt to leave the ship. We did see eps where VOY contacted friendly civilizations; if they had extended contact it's easy enough to believe that someone could find themselves wanting to embrace a new opportunity rather than continuing on the voyage of the damned. Perhaps especially after they learned the Maquis had been wiped out.
I think VOY erred by making the Kazon so uniformly hostile as well. What if there'd been a perfectly reasonable branch of them that VOY encountered from time to time? If they were fighting the Nistrim to bring the Kazon in general toward less belligerent ways, I could see some of the Maquis sympathizing.
They were in survival mode, alone. A mutiny over a lack of promotions would have be ridiculous
Not really. In times that that, mutiny makes the most sense. Lost out alone and the captain just put a bunch of terrorists in charge.
People mutinied on the Pegasis for less.
Yeah, that would be mutiny.
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I'm not so sure. Given the whole premise was that they had to face reality and form one crew the choice to mutiny would have to have an end achieved, otherwise it would be just a tantrum. The whole show started with them all facing the fact they were in the Delta Quadrant and Janeway made the decision she did to help the Ocampa. They knew that, all of them. They sucked it up and literally moved on. In fact in the 37's when they had a chance to stay behind on a habitable planet not one of the crew's complement chose to do so. Why? Because they all shared one goal and that was to get home. It wasn't a training exercise they were on, or a regular mission in the Alpha Quadrant with Starfleet to count on. The rules of the game had to adjust. I suspect in weighing up their actual success of getting home by mutiny and the losses that would incur, it would be like shooting yourself in the foot. Janeway earned a lot of loyalty.
