Why does everyone hate Wesley?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by junkdata, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. junkdata

    junkdata Lieutenant Commander

    Jul 10, 2014
    Lol hollywood.

    Trip was mid to late 30s irl.

    Archer was mid to late 40s.

    Its crazy that high schoolers think people in their 20s look like trip did, and people in their 30s look like Archer. :D

    This is why 18 year olds, who would never date above 25, end up with 40 years olds lol.
  2. Avon

    Avon Commodore Commodore

    May 7, 2010
    i was a kid when i first saw the show, i hated wesley immediately. i wanted to watch captain picard being awesome, not some annoying child that was always right.
  3. Isolinear

    Isolinear Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 13, 2013
    Yep, the fate of all characters in Star Trek; die or turn into energy. Wesley, Kes, Sisko, Jadzia, Tasha. Kirk did both (of course). Scotty managed to escape his fate of eternal energyness, but he was a miracleworker after all.
  4. bbjeg

    bbjeg Admiral Admiral

    May 24, 2013
    Right here buddy.
    ^I haven't realized how many times they did that.
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2014
  5. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 1, 2014
    Suomi Finland
    Sheldon hated him (Wil) for years but things change...
  6. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    I like that Wesley wasn't given a mundane ending. The way he was introduced it wouldn't have made sense for him to just settle down with a girl somewhere. He was established as somebody who can't let something go when he has an idea. There were really only two endings that would have made sense for his character, either he goes off and explores the things he tapped into in Remember Me, or he joins Starfleet on the fast track.

    Of course, Journey's End was a terrible episode.

    The 'Depart as energy' thing is a bit of a cop out, but it's not much worse than the 'No, I have to stay here! Don't you see, it's what I was meant to do, just kinda hang out here forever!' ending that a lot of shows use to write off characters.
  7. suarezguy

    suarezguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 9, 2008
    Albuquerque, NM, USA
    When I first started watching around 8 I really enjoyed and related to him; now he's mostly OK but his presence, at least how others react to him as hardly noticing his age, and brilliance feels too forced too often.
  8. The Old Building & Loan

    The Old Building & Loan Auld Lang Mod Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, somewhere in Bedford Falls
    I think that a misconception is being spread around here...in "Journey's End", didn't Wesley just beam back down to the planet (via transporter) to spend some time there with the Traveler? People seem to be under the impression that he turned into a glowy ball of energy and flew off into space. (That was one of his mom's boyfriends.)
  9. Morpheus 02

    Morpheus 02 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 3, 2003
    Chicago IL
    Yeah, a 15 year old wouldn't have acted like Wesley did on Edo . 10 year old Will Robinson-- would have been "realisitic." 15 tear old -- umm.... NO!!!!

    Jake Sisko was a realistic version of a teenage boy... I love how he grew naturally -- from troublemaker with his best friend, to having crushes, to becoming a man.


    I thought the idea was great. I'm the same age as Wil Wheaton, so loved the idea of having someone my age on the show. But he was so poorly written...and Gates McFadden didn't portray a very affectionate mom -- so that also didn't make Wesley & the family dynamic all that interesting.

    However, I WILL say I really like WIL as a person ... he feels like someone I could've grown up with, and still be fan boys together today.
  10. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    I think he's become more adorable now than he ever was before. It helps that he is such a geek, and has become an unofficial representative of the geek community.
  11. GalaxyX

    GalaxyX Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 28, 2004

    Reminds me of The Simpsons when Bart gets an elephant:

    Homer: I'm alive. I'm alive! And I owe it all to this feisty feline. Lisa: Dad, "feline" means "cat". Homer: Elephant, honey. It's an elephant! -- Well, duh, "Bart Gets an Elephant" "And I'm sure he'll make a grand piano," Homer continues, but Bart and Lisa castigate him: "Dad!" Homer: I guess it wouldn't be right to sell Stampy after he saved my life. And the boy seems to have some sort of relationship with him.

    I don't think it played out like that man.

    If I remember correctly, some kids his age come over and ask him "do you want to play a game?"

    And Wesley, seeing that practically everyone here is boning right on the street, freaks out and says "what kind of game?" to this they answer "to catch the ball" or something of that sort. Wesley is relieved, since he's not ready to have some 15 year old girls jump him, at least not yet :lol:

    That is very interesting. I don't remember much about the ending of that episode. I'm going to have to watch it again.

    I think Gates did a decent job portraying a mom who was traumatized by the loss of her husband, and with a son tagging along as a reminder of that event in her life. To make things worse, to have to bump into the man who was her husband's commanding officer, AND that she had a crush on to boot.

    Awkward city indeed.
  12. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    In the last Ironman movie, didn't they partner Tony Stark with a child for a nice piece of the movie?

    In the episode where Penny turns into a mutant killer gorilla, Wil was a stand up kind of guy.

    Which is off, all 15 year old's think about is getting jumped (if memory serves).

    One of the problems with Wesley is that it seemed that he was estranged from his peer group aboard the ship, we only saw him with other teens a few times.

  13. Ithekro

    Ithekro Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 5, 2012
    Republic of California
    I seem to remember a clip of first season Wesley being interesting in "teenage mating rituals" Though I don't remember the context as it was on the blooper reels the last time I saw it.
  14. Nebusj

    Nebusj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 27, 2005
    PICARD: Wesley. Wes. Are you aware that you're acting strangely, that a kind of infection was brought over from the Tsiolkovsky which acts like intoxication?

    WESLEY [on viewscreen]: Are you saying that's why I feel so so hot? So strange?

    PICARD: That's a very adult bit of reasoning, Wes,

    WESLEY [on viewscreen]: So you mean I'm drunk! I feel strange, but also good.

    Of all the first-season-Next-Generation characters, Wesley was maybe the most first-season-Next-Generation-character-iest.