Why do you rank TFF highly?

[plynch]

I thought the opening was corny. The huge laugh as he throws back his hood. Very ... comic booky? I prefer the more realistic, less ... hokey? tone of TMP, though i t is flawed. TWok went the scenery-chewing direction; SFS dialed it back a bit until Rev. Jim's fall. The whales one seems a bit more straight to me though lighthearted things happen. V and Vi are back to comic books and scooby doo.

I like v overall as written upthread.

 

[DataMat]

A few years ago (5-6?) I posted somewhere in this site that I met Shatner at a convention and I asked him point blank and he said there were no plans for a director’s cut.

Even now Paramount have apparently announced a new 4k boxset but with No. 1 to 4.
What?
Really?
Why did they miss off 5 and 6? They are part of the TOS film series and it just seems totally weird to miss off those two movies.
Paramount seem to be letting it be known point blank they don't feel those two movies deserve to be out out at 4k. Or why else would they not be in there?
Shatner should have been allowed to do some work on Trek 5. Just give him an editing suite and a small team of experts and let them make the film better in a visual sense.

 

[fireproof78]

Paramount seem to be letting it be known point blank they don't feel those two movies deserve to be out out at 4k. Or why else would they not be in there?

Probably gauging whether or not people will actually buy it! This is their money they are putting out there. Starting off with a smaller production scale and then adding to it is better than committing to a full slate and realizing no one is actually going to buy it.

 

[DataMat]

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Probably gauging whether or not people will actually buy it! This is their money they are putting out there. Starting off with a smaller production scale and then adding to it is better than committing to a full slate and realizing no one is actually going to buy it.

Wrath of Khan is already done so that would surely already indicate interest.
They would logically remaster 3 and 4 to make the trilogy set if this is a set to gouge interest.
They are remasters the directors edition for this set of TMP which sounds expensive to me, more expensive than doing 5 and 6?

 

[fireproof78]

Wrath of Khan is already done so that would surely already indicate interest.
They would logically remaster 3 and 4 to make the trilogy set if this is a set to gouge interest.
They are remasters the directors edition for this set of TMP which sounds expensive to me, more expensive than doing 5 and 6?

Wrath of Khan is one of the most popular films in Trek's history. Is that surprising? The better measurement is if 3 and 4 do as well. 5 and 6 again might follow if interest is there in less popular films. Especially with 4 getting a theater release.

Again, it's all numbers not a matter of what movies deserve it or not. It is return on investment, not a judgement of quality.

 

[Vger23]

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Wrath of Khan is already done so that would surely already indicate interest.
They would logically remaster 3 and 4 to make the trilogy set if this is a set to gouge interest.
They are remasters the directors edition for this set of TMP which sounds expensive to me, more expensive than doing 5 and 6?

I've heard they are planning to release them in sets. So 1-4 comes first. Then they are going to do a set with TFF, TUC and GEN as the "end of the TOS era." Then, they will release the 3 1701-E TNG films.

Not sure if this is true, and it is likely based on how the 1-4 set does in terms of sales....but I've seen that in multiple places.

 

[dupersuper]

I've heard they are planning to release them in sets. So 1-4 comes first. Then they are going to do a set with TFF, TUC and GEN as the "end of the TOS era." Then, they will release the 3 1701-E TNG films.

Not sure if this is true, and it is likely based on how the 1-4 set does in terms of sales....but I've seen that in multiple places.

Really, if you released 1 separately, 2 - 13 do break nicely into trilogies.

 

[Silanda]

Why do I rate it higher than it might deserve? I think it boils down to three main reasons:

I really like the interactions between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
"The Mountain" is one of if not my favourite piece of music from a Star Trek soundtrack.
Probably most importantly, it was the first Trek movie I saw as a new release at the cinema. It will always be somewhat special to me because of that.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I've heard they are planning to release them in sets. So 1-4 comes first. Then they are going to do a set with TFF, TUC and GEN as the "end of the TOS era." Then, they will release the 3 1701-E TNG films.

Not sure if this is true, and it is likely based on how the 1-4 set does in terms of sales....but I've seen that in multiple places.

I would be interested in getting these upgrades if there's never before seen content and remastered scenes which were seen on youtube. If not, I'll simply cherry pick the ones I found less cringe worthy which are TMP, TWOK, & TVH. TUC is a major problem for me because the cheap production design continues to unravel every time the video resolutions improves, the bridge, the kitchen gallery, and scenes inside personal quarters looked bad where I can see chip cracks on the paint and sign decor are old and abandoned. Hard to imagine the Kirk from previous movies and the TV series to have a military vessel left in such unmilitary manner, like an untidy home. The Enterprise best represents James Kirk and it is difficult for me to see him let the ship go.

 

[Vger23]

I would be interested in getting these upgrades if there's never before seen content and remastered scenes which were seen on youtube. If not, I'll simply cherry pick the ones I found less cringe worthy which are TMP, TWOK, & TVH. TUC is a major problem for me because the cheap production design continues to unravel every time the video resolutions improves, the bridge, the kitchen gallery, and scenes inside personal quarters looked bad where I can see chip cracks on the paint and sign decor are old and abandoned. Hard to imagine the Kirk from previous movies and the TV series to have a military vessel left in such unmilitary manner, like an untidy home. The Enterprise best represents James Kirk and it is difficult for me to see him let the ship go.

It's interesting that you mention that, because I think the "deteriorated look" in TUC was actually a purposeful decision by N. Meyer to show that the Enterprise was now an older and "at the end of her life" ship. Like you, I don't agree with the idea, and I don't like it (especially since, in the previous film, the Enterprise looked new and pristine despite having some technical issues)...but I think that's why it looks that way.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It was definitely a reflection of the character and what he was going through in the movie and I wouldn't had mind it if it was just Kirk's quarters, but as a whole, the idea was bad. As a production and what was done hasn't held up well in HD and I doubt it will improve through higher resolutions of that piece.

 

[Henoch]

The Enterprise best represents James Kirk and it is difficult for me to see him let the ship go.

...like his waist line...

 

[Damian]

It's interesting that you mention that, because I think the "deteriorated look" in TUC was actually a purposeful decision by N. Meyer to show that the Enterprise was now an older and "at the end of her life" ship. Like you, I don't agree with the idea, and I don't like it (especially since, in the previous film, the Enterprise looked new and pristine despite having some technical issues)...but I think that's why it looks that way.

It was definitely a reflection of the character and what he was going through in the movie and I wouldn't had mind it if it was just Kirk's quarters, but as a whole, the idea was bad. As a production and what was done hasn't held up well in HD and I doubt it will improve through higher resolutions of that piece.

Yeah, I get what Meyer was trying to do, but Starfleet ships are usually kept in pristine condition no matter the age. The original Enterprise in TSFS was going to be decommissioned, but it still looked pristine and practically new. I can't imagine Scotty allowing the ship to look anything less than that.

Meyer's vision for Star Trek was a bit different, esp. in how he sees the ships and the production design. While, for the most part, he didn't usually go to far, using the same sets and even the same production designers (partly because of budget, and partly I think because of continuity--despite his preferences I think he still had a certain respect for the existing continuity and knew he has to keep things at leas familiar to the viewers), there were certain decisions he made that baffled me a bit. The ship's condition was one of them. And yes, the higher definition really highlights that even more and makes it harder to ignore. I also never understood the torpedo loading he added for TWOK. By the time you had a torpedo ready to go you'd be blown to bits. I get the dramatic effect he was going for, but it never made much sense.

 

[Grant]

People go on and on and on about how Chekov wasn't in space seed what an "incredible error." Like we saw every member of the crew of the 400 during that episode and if they weren't seen on-screen they couldn't have been on board. But then a scene where they're literally lifting up grating with metal rods to prepare for battle it's like never mentioned as being beyond ridiculous and archaic. Modern tanks and Naval vessels have automatic loading for the projectiles that they fire but they need to manually lift up the floor to be able to fire a photon torpedo??

 

[Henoch]

People go on and on and on about how Chekov wasn't in space seed what an "incredible error." Like we saw every member of the crew of the 400 during that episode and if they weren't seen on-screen they couldn't have been on board. But then a scene where they're literally lifting up grating with metal rods to prepare for battle it's like never mentioned as being beyond ridiculous and archaic. Modern tanks and Naval vessels have automatic loading for the projectiles that they fire but they need to manually lift up the floor to be able to fire a photon torpedo??

I attribute the floor grates and other old style ship operations for training new cadets; to show them the dirty details on how things work. Even on the newest, automated ships, you never know when you will have to crawl through the torpedo shaft to save the universe.

 

[STEPhon IT]

People go on and on and on about how Chekov wasn't in space seed what an "incredible error." Like we saw every member of the crew of the 400 during that episode and if they weren't seen on-screen they couldn't have been on board. But then a scene where they're literally lifting up grating with metal rods to prepare for battle it's like never mentioned as being beyond ridiculous and archaic. Modern tanks and Naval vessels have automatic loading for the projectiles that they fire but they need to manually lift up the floor to be able to fire a photon torpedo??

That's a very creative way of positioning the Chekov misstep, but I believe the issue which lies was Singh some how... remembered him specifically??? Also, by name??? What in blazes made an Ensign like Chekov be recognized by Khan??? Sulu or Uhura should've been the logical choices for that scene because after the smoke cleared on that portion of the conflict Chekov was put right in place on the bridge so the heavy hitter could come up for bat. I've accepted this blunder as an alternate universe and I can still enjoy the movie as is; I don't see TOS and movies as canon with each other, I can accept them in their own merits. Heck, I don't see TNG and their awful movies, including PICARD as canon.

 

[Grant]

Not canon? LOL

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Star Trek is set in a future that diverged from ours.

 

[Henoch]

What in blazes made an Ensign like Chekov be recognized by Khan???

Perhaps his bad Russian accent and his Davy Jones wig.

 

[Grant]

Maybe his photographic memory?