Whilst we as the audience might never doubt they would get home, how would we react if we as the audience were in their situation? i.e. we place ourselves into the story.
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Whilst we as the audience might never doubt they would get home, how would we react if we as the audience were in their situation? i.e. we place ourselves into the story.
Of course they were going to get home, it's how that was of interest.
Admittedly we all knew it'd be the final episode so all the early "Here's a way we might get home!" episodes were a bit of a "how are they gonna fuck it up this time?" affair
Admittedly we all knew it'd be the final episode so all the early "Here's a way we might get home!" episodes were a bit of a "how are they gonna fuck it up this time?" affair
Speaking personally,when I refer to the ‘reset’ I am referring to the limitations placed on the show by it’s weekly requirements.The show requires that the ship and crew will be kept relatively the same from week to week.Yes,adventures will be had,lessons learned and then everyone moves on,adventures and lessons put aside to rarely be referenced again.
True we are perhaps judging Voyager retrospectively in light of the televisual storytelling standards of today but even at the time I remember thinking that Voyager was “Trek by numbers”.As a lifelong Trekkie that feeling was awful.
These are my opinions(which the thread title invited).I know I won’t change anyone else’s view of Voyager just as mine won’t.Getting snarky with your fellow posters is well...none too productive.
True we are perhaps judging Voyager retrospectively in light of the televisual storytelling standards of today but even at the time I remember thinking that Voyager was “Trek by numbers”.As a lifelong Trekkie that feeling was awful.
These are my opinions(which the thread title invited).I know I won’t change anyone else’s view of Voyager just as mine won’t.Getting snarky with your fellow posters is well...none too productive.
I tried watching that and it just did not do it for me.For those seeking dark, angsty, gritty, backbitey, sweaty serial (in spaaaace) Drama...
A gift for you, I have.
Nonsense serialised story telling wasn't uncommon at the time VOY aired (at least in the UK)
It's pretty cool the amount of activity this forum has and that is from star trek fans as presumably referenced in the thread title. I think I have just realised today that although in the past reading disparaging comments of something I like may have brought out the defender in me... it just kind of doesn't register as much lately. Like I pride myself in reading anything someone asks me to even if it is a subject matter I might have strong views on. However of late I'm skimming over arguments about flaws in Voyager. Not because I disrespect the reasoning behind them but it just doesn't change anything. The show is what it is and my reaction to it as a star trek fan is 'lovin' it' not hate.In answer to this thread "Why do Trek fans hate Voyager," it could just as equally be asked "why do Trek fans hate TNG/DS9/Enterprise?"
There are people that hate the other series as well. Is Voyager especially hated? Apparently not, as it's quite often shown to be one of the most popular series(of the five, and usually just behind TNG), like in this trek.com poll of over 25,000 votes(possibly one of the largest polls like this done)
- The Next Generation 43%
- Voyager 20%
- The Original Series 19%
- Deep Space Nine 13%
- Enterprise 5%
- The Animated Series 0%
And there's that Netflix viewing data released last year of the top ten most rewatched episodes of all the series, worldwide, in which Voyager dominated the list, including the #1 spot.
I know there are a few people that really don't like it, and make that opinion known frequently. For instance, there's a big DS9 fan here at TrekBBS that stops by any number of Voyager threads(daily?) to disparage the show. Maybe that's why the Voyager forum has so much more activity than the DS9 forum.
I am so pleased Voyager was not 'told' like Discovery has been though. There's been a lot of fail with it. Serialised story telling requires believable continuity and well... Discovery is another topic.
Discussing DSC in any detail is best to left the DSC sub-forum.
Heavily serialized storytelling can be severely limiting to a show like star trek, especially in rewatchability. There's a couple of HBO series that I loved, but have never gone back and watched since they aired, and remember so little about them.
I've heard a lot(a great many) of people say that their favorite episode is the 7th, and coincidentally, it is the most self contained. I just love that I can go back and watch any episode of any series of Star Trek and enjoy a complete story, beginning, middle, and end in 1-3 hours.
LOL!!! WOW!!! You got me there!!! They're called typos. It happens. Ooops.
What would the series be if they didn't get home?Of course they were going to get home, it's how that was of interest.
Admittedly we all knew it'd be the final episode so all the early "Here's a way we might get home!" episodes were a bit of a "how are they gonna fuck it up this time?" affair
Don't be a cunt
Try reading my post.
I think that is what I said.We are judging Voyager by the standards of television programmes of today where ongoing character arcs and intricate plotting are more common.Voyager didn’t really indulge in those and thus looks rather unambitious for it.
Stargate Universe?
(Which I think actually had a pretty powerful open-ended finale as a result of cancellation, likely more memorable than whatever they'd come up with)
Oh, I don’t know... a series about some characters Trekking around amongst some fucking Stars?
Come to think of it, Kim’s speech wouldn’t have been a bad note to end the series on. Minus all the bullshit surrounding it, of course. I’m fine with the somewhat open ending of ‘crew finally makes peace with taking the long road home, and embraces being explorers.’ But leaving Admiral Janeway and the Borg running around would be a bit too ‘left hanging’ even for me...and I liked the original ending to the X-Files!
Of course, we never did see that anyone besides Janeway got home. For all we know, Starfleet got an emergency call about an Anamoly of the Week whilst everyone was still en route, deployed VOY because it was the only ship in the quadrant, and to immediately lost it because they forgot that it no longer had its Hero Ship Shield.
I also liked that one. Helps the last shot was very pretty.
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I always try to watch shows within the context of the time they came out. Could Voyager have been more serialized? Of course, at least in the manner we saw in others shows at the time like The X-Files, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and most obviously DS9. Of those three, I think Voyager could have done better using the model that Buffy was using, where each season was its own story, rather than one long story arc stretching seasons. This makes more sense for Voyager, as it's progressively traveling from one area to the next. For example, I thought the Seska/Kazon storyline lasted much longer than it believably should have. At best, the Kazons should have been relegated to one season, then we move onto a new story as Voyager is moving into newer space.
I think "Year of Hell" as a whole season could have worked in the context of how 90s television worked then. Not every episode needed to deal with the Krenim. They'd be featured in the major episodes and in between are episodes with Voyager having to deal with a situation of the week but in the context of that year of hell, like an episode where the Doctor is offline due to the damages taken by the Krenim and they need Tom Paris to step up in his medical practices. Doc comes back at the end of the episode and is for the first time very proud of Tom. You could have an episode where Neelix enlists as a security officer and learns a lot from Tuvok, which enriches their odd couple friendship.
This would compliment the season 5 opener "Night" which has Janeway locking herself in her quarters, questioning the past decisions she made including blowing up the Array in "Caretaker".
I like Voyager. The only that bugs me is that it seemed to me like the writers were more into just writing things however they wanted to make the story work. It felt like many of the detials that I enjoy in Star Trek were ignored. Many of these things are already addressed and discussed in other threads. But essentially, it was just a lot of the little things that prevented Voyager from being better then it was. IMO.
The reason why I asked this is because Voyager, like it or not, was the closest series to fully embrace the Star Trek motto: To seek out new life, and new civilizations... to boldly go where man has gone before. I would think a crew who's been through all those battles every week would adjust and accept that Voyager is their home.
No need to go home when they are home. Its something I wanted the crew to at least embrace with during the last episodes but again it was so plot driven.
There's no doubt there would be boding in a situation that Voyager was in. However, I think if they were happy simply being a family, why even be in a starship piloting the galaxy alone and constantly surrounded by danger (and risking being blown out of the sky at any time from natural phenomena or a hostile force)? Just find a class M planet that has a nice climate and abundance of natural resources, and plant the crew down on it.
However, when I think about that particular scenario, it's a stretch to assume that everyone on the ship was perfectly fine with the idea of never returning home, which is implausible. And, seeking out new life and new civilizations is a noble goal, but it's also kind of implied that others in Starfleet (beyond the crew of Voyager) will benefit from such encounters and exposure to the previously unknown.
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