But I thought it was cool. And I count as "the audience".
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Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
The audience hated the idea of there being a single species out there that could fight off the Borg, no matter if they came from this Universe or not (despite Trek showing such beings ever since TOS). That VOY just happened to create said species was just another strike against it. That VOY showed such a species was an unforgivable franchise sin.
To use the trope there is always a bigger fish. Perhaps the issue was in the execution rather than the principal idea that there could be a species even more deadly than the Borg.
What 8472 proved is not that the Borg are weak, but that the Borg only attack weaker species, but then what sort of moron picks a fight with a stronger, smarter, more powerful adversary...
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Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
The audience hated the idea of there being a single species out there that could fight off the Borg, no matter if they came from this Universe or not (despite Trek showing such beings ever since TOS). That VOY just happened to create said species was just another strike against it. That VOY showed such a species was an unforgivable franchise sin.
To use the trope there is always a bigger fish. Perhaps the issue was in the execution rather than the principal idea that there could be a species even more deadly than the Borg.
No, it was just the principal idea.
Of course, no one cares there are beings out there stronger than the Klingons or Romulans.
Total.Double.Standard.
Of course, the audience also hated the idea that VOY could do anything in the Borg/8472 conflict.
Nevermind if they found some random alien tech that could kill off both the 8472 and Borg no one would care.
You don't know that Awar didn't spend 4 million dollars in airfar checking with all the audience except you.
Well, it's true. I don't know why but the audience hated the idea of there being a single species out there that the Borg were completely powerless against.
Despite all other Trek shows showing us such beings.
Do you know what moratorium means?
The problem when you use the term "The Audiance" you mean the entire audiance rather than saying "part of the audiance" which means just that a segment of the audiance did/didn't like something. Hasn't this thread has demonstrated that part perhaps even a large part of the audaince was dissapointed in how the show was executed. VOY came off the back of the highly successful TNG and DSN was just hitting it's stride and would go on to generally favourable critical aclaim. So it was competitng with two favourable recieved shows which can be hard to live up to.
One of VOY's first mistakes was to try and emulate the formula of TNG too much hence it's nickname TNG-lite, most audiances are willing to give a show a chance or maybe a few chances to get it right (for them) as this dissapointed feeling remains it perhaps indicates the relied too much on the good will of the Star Trek fan base to watch it because it was Star Trek. That isn't to say other shows have parts of them which some of the audiance are dissapointed with how they played out or not/.
One of VOY's first mistakes was to try and emulate the formula of TNG too much hence it's nickname TNG-lite, most audiances are willing to give a show a chance or maybe a few chances to get it right (for them) as this dissapointed feeling remains it perhaps indicates the relied too much on the good will of the Star Trek fan base to watch it because it was Star Trek. That isn't to say other shows have parts of them which some of the audiance are dissapointed with how they played out or not/.
We are being rude.
Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
Shhh. Don't let Anwar drag you into his parallel universe where it rains donuts.
The general attitude VOY got was "One Strike you're out", as compared to all those other shows.
Even if you accept that belief, doesn't that hold true of many shows were instant success is expected by the studio/network, and if ratings aren't there it gets canned before being given a chance to find it's feet?
You could also argue that both TNG and DSN really took until their third seasons before their hit their stride, so based on history you might expect some to at least give it until some time into it's third season.
Now perhaps some of it's percieved failure was down to not living up to expectations that some of the audiance had, i.e. a more serialised show than what was deilvered. But this isn't a fault of the audiance, it's not hard to draw the conclusion that this would be a more serialised show based on the premise, they had a great opportunity to develop a wide group f secondary characters like Carey on VOY, they had developed secondary characters before like O'Brien on TNG so it could be done.
You could also argue that both TNG and DSN really took until their third seasons before their hit their stride, so based on history you might expect some to at least give it until some time into it's third season.
Now perhaps some of it's percieved failure was down to not living up to expectations that some of the audiance had, i.e. a more serialised show than what was deilvered. But this isn't a fault of the audiance, it's not hard to draw the conclusion that this would be a more serialised show based on the premise, they had a great opportunity to develop a wide group f secondary characters like Carey on VOY, they had developed secondary characters before like O'Brien on TNG so it could be done.
You'd expect that, but it's not what happened with VOY. It got written off before "Caretaker" was done.
The couldn't even get the Primary cast to put effort into their work (Wang and Beltran), all focusing more on Secondaries would do is just upset the audience even more by having them say they were screwing the Primaries out of their screentime.
Well, in my opinion, Caretaker was bad, so I don't blame any audience member for writing it off, especially with the strength of TNG at the time, and the growing popularity of DS9. Such a weak start was not confidence building, and neither were the next several episodes, as most were TNG lite, as has been often repeated in this thread. As I have repeated, but will do so again, VOY promised something different, and did nothing with it in the first three episodes. So, not exactly a winning start.
Also, VOY is not the only one to suffer from the "one and done" write off. Abrams and Co certainly have, and ENT suffered a slow decline in their viewership until about season 4.
Also, I agree about the moratorium, or ending the use of, on the use of the term "The Audience." "The Audience" has become a straw man, little more than a target that can't be argued against, since it isn't real, in the sense that I can take that audience group and survey them. Even if the majority "hated" (using that term in massive quotation marks) VOY, the reasons would be variable.
The audience is you, me and everyone else who ever watched the show, and continues to get enjoyment from it to this day. It isn't a group of people conspiring against VOY.
Star Trek Cool Aide prevented me noticing how awful the pilot was for 7 or 8 years.
How is that the problem of the audiance, that they couldn't get the actors to put more effort into their work? They hired them, and isn't not like to use the O'Brien example he really screwed the primaries out of screentime.
Question, was the Transporter Chief of Voyager called? Even TOS had Kyle who was regularly used as the Enterprise Transporter Chief.
The pilot sucked because of the banjos. If the pilot was set in some future earth so it was actually INTERESTING and not a beverly hillbilly yawnfest it would have been pretty good. Why can't Trek be inventive and show us future earth as the recent past culture of our heroes instead of hokey crap from sitcoms or nazis?
When Trek goes inventive we get "Angel One" planet or "Code of Honor" world.
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