Back in to the fray.
Again, I find that debatable, and your earlier point regarding Decent is not supportive of that suggestions.
TNG just gets away with stuff VOY is condemned for.
Again, different audience and dynamic. Perhaps VOY is condemned because TNG had already done it and done it better. VOY claimed to be something new and never fulfilled that claim.
Like I have been saying, it is a good starting point, and could have continued if the production team had bothered to use it.
Even if they had put more effort into it, it's only good for 1 season. 2 seasons at most and then it's just dead end.
Right, which means the
production team must be prepared to do something with it. This is no fault of the audience, who keeps getting blamed.
If the Dominion had been a VOY enemy, the audience would've been PO'ed they showed up more than once.
Doubtful.
If that were true, DS9 wouldn't have introduced the Dominion formally by having them slaughter hundreds (if not thousands).
Why? As has been my argument, just because it was done a certain way doesn't mean it had to be that way.
If the Founders come off as threatening later, it's because they were already built up to that point by all the people they killed before.
Again, it doesn't have to be that way, regardless of what was done. Also, the Borg were pre-established as a threat. VOY just didn't know how to use them effectively.
There's different, and then there's "different". "Different" is expecting a human to flap his wings and fly just to show he's not like other humans. It's also ridiculous.
I'm afraid I don't follow. If a show sets up a premise as being different than previous iterations of Trek and does not follow through, then I'm not going to enjoy the show.
Again, this is not my expectations of VOY but what was set up.
I said in a way that the audience would accept. The audience frequently showed they didn't accept most of what VOY could give them, with their constraints.
Still not buying that about the audience. I've yet to find any data indicating substantial displeasure beyond a decreasing interest in Trek as a whole. Over-saturation of the market, plus diminishing returns on movies and shows.
Everytime they tried to have them stay in an area for more than one episode the audience got PO'ed. And they tried to "Borg assimilate worlds" thing in Dark Frontier. Again, no one liked it.
Dark Frontier was a poor attempt. Perhaps a bigger build up would have helped that matter.
See above, but VOY sacrificed several shuttles, and Gold Shirts to demonstrate the situation was serious.
And it didn't work.
Not the audience's fault.
Still, awful double standard.
Not really. TOS was a show in a specific point of time, for a specific audience and produced to keep people working. It was not intended to be the be-all-end-all of science fiction that it morphed in to.
VOY had a previously established base to work with, a preestablished viewing audience, and a network willing to carry them, rather than a fear of cancellation. Comparing VOY to TOS is a futile effort because the two backgrounds are different, and the two premises were different enough. TOS was a western in space, while VOY, as previously established, was a lost ship trying to get home.
Sure, he had his limitations of power, but that doesn't mean he was powerless.
He was, essentially. Ron Moore and Ira Behr are just whiners who don't know how easy they had it.
Not according to any material I have read, including Berman's own quotes. So, either he is lying or deluded.
A change of premise would have helped, but that could have been done some time in the seven years they had.
I'm not taking into account UPN interference.
I'm not either.
I think the characters were underdeveloped and underused, for the most part, and that it creates little to no stakes for me to care about.
A smaller cast may have helped, as well as different casting. Having smaller, reoccurring roles, as well as events that matter, in character growth and change, would help as well.
To be very specific, not every episode has to matter, but characters should grow and change, not feel like the same stereotypes as they were in the beginning.
Well, Trek's never been that good in that regard. The TOS characters didn't change until the TOS movies. The TNG crew didn't all change THAT much and the DS9 crew were changed due to their war story but not much else.
TOS characters had their moments, but, like I said, that is an unfair comparison. TNG, same rules apply, as a different audience, different time period (to an extent), as well as a different premise. However, TNG did have character growth and change from season to season, especially Data's character.
DS9 is a better comparison as they were more contemporaries, as far as shows are concerned. And DS9 created arcs that mattered and demonstrated character growth in ways that even Quark showed it.
VOY's characters maintained the status quo, and did nothing that would create an emotional hook beyond the superficial. Some were thinly sketched and little was done to fix that. Again, for me, if I don't have a connection to the characters, then it is difficult for me to enjoy a show.
Regardless of audience feedback, VOY did little to make a change in its characters that mattered. So, if it doesn't matter, why should I care?
