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Why do Star Trek fans hate Voyager? - Link

I like Voyager, too. I just finished a rewatch this past week, and it has grown on me. There are some wonderful characters on the show, and once I accepted <insert technobabble here>, I was able to get into it and enjoy it.
 
I don't hate Voyager... but it is pretty much my least favorite series. But it is the first one I ever watched, so I have a large amount of nostalgia for it. And there are things about it that I quite like (certain episodes, roughly half the cast). But there are just as many things that really don't work for me and that keeps it firmly in last place. I can enjoy the show by picking and choosing my favorite episodes, but if I were to try and rewatch it in order straight through it would probably drive me crazy.
 
I think a lot of the "Hate" that VOY gets is born out of disappoint and frustration, VOY had all the ingredients to be an excellent show but ended up being rather average instead in spite of everything it had going for it.
 
I was surprised to learn about the hate when I first started watching. I do think some of it is due to sexism. I'm betting a lot of male viewers weren't ready for a woman in the captain's chair. Voyager is my first Trek. I will admit that the only reason it peaked my interest is because I found out it had a female captain, which I thought was really awesome. But I've stayed with it because I grew to love a lot of the other characters as well and their journey of finding their way home. I like that it has a lot of character development. It's my first and will be my last.
 
I think a lot of the "Hate" that VOY gets is born out of disappoint and frustration, VOY had all the ingredients to be an excellent show but ended up being rather average instead in spite of everything it had going for it.
Yeah, the delta between expectations and reality was pretty significant, so this might have played a big part.
 
I'll tell you why I hated Voyager. I hated it because it wasn't TNG. It's as simple as that. I don't know, but I suspect that's the reason some other people hated it, too. We'd had 7 years of TNG and then we'd been stuck on a space station with DS9. That's okay, but it's was like low fat food, diet Coke, you get the idea. I didn't really care about the Bajorans, the Klingons, the bloody wormhole aliens. I wanted to be in space, on a space ship. That's where I'd grown up watching TOS and then spent my years as a young adult watching TNG. I wanted to be back out there on a space ship. I hated Voyager because it wasn't making those towering TNG episodes I wanted to be recreated. I wanted the same hit again as I got watching BOBW, Yesterday's Enterprise, Measure of a Man, but Voyager wasn't making them (why would it? TNG was mostly not making them for 3 seasons, either). For me, Trek was all about going out, not coming back, not running home with our tail between our legs. It was about boldy going, not timdily coming back. That's how I saw Voyager. That's why I hated it. I think it's the reason other fans I knew back then hated it, too. And I've hated it for 15 years on those grounds.

Until about 6 months ago when I caught up with it on Syfy in the UK. 15 years more mellow in my opinions on Trek, 15 years more willing to have an open mind. 15 years away from the percieved Holy Grail of TNG and TOS. And I love it. I love it for the different show that it is. I love it for doing things its own way. I've fallen in love with this show that has its own identity, its own flavour, its own feel.

So, that's me. That's why I hated Voyager, not for what it was, but for what it isn't. And that's now why I love it. :)
 
All Trek fans didn't /don't hate Voyager, yeesh, in fact there were lots of people who liked it, check out Amazon or Facebook. Some negatives but also a lot of positive, like with most TV etc. stuff.
 
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I was surprised to learn about the hate when I first started watching. I do think some of it is due to sexism. I'm betting a lot of male viewers weren't ready for a woman in the captain's chair. Voyager is my first Trek. I will admit that the only reason it peaked my interest is because I found out it had a female captain, which I thought was really awesome. But I've stayed with it because I grew to love a lot of the other characters as well and their journey of finding their way home. I like that it has a lot of character development. It's my first and will be my last.

That's a rather sweeping generalism male viewers won't like it because it had a female lead. It might just be me but I suspect a lot of male viewers didn't care that it had a female lead. But rather with what at times seemed to be an incosistant chacterisation. None of which was Mulgrew's fault she has to work with what she is given.
 
I was surprised to learn about the hate when I first started watching. I do think some of it is due to sexism. I'm betting a lot of male viewers weren't ready for a woman in the captain's chair.....

Personally speaking, that wasn't the case for me. Gender or Race regarding the Captain was never an issue for me.

In saying that, Janeway did rub me the wrong way many times. Granted, I did like her no-nonsense attitude most of the time, but the thing that bothered me was she seemed to have a more "Black and White" mentality on many situations and there was hardly ever any grey areas with her.

Some people like that, I don't.

For me, it seemed as though she would tell the crew what the situation was, state her position on the matter, then sometimes she would ask the crew for some feedback, but then still stick to her position regardless, as if she already knew every possible angle and outcome and she just asks for their opinions out of courtesy. Many times, Kirk, Picard and Sisko, despite all of them being very clever and intelligent, would get feedback from one particular crewmember that makes them realize something they didn't consider and they would then adjust their position slightly.

Janeway always seemed to know everything already, a crewmember would point out something not yet mentioned and then she would finish explaining their argument almost perfectly, states she already thought about that, dictate the problem with their point they were trying to make and then repeat her original plan.

There were also some instances where her decisions were almost entirely based on her personal morals and would stick by them even when the decision affected someone else more and thus, should have decided what was in the best interests for that person or persons, rather than holding so rigidly to what she thought was right and wrong.

There were a few situations where she eventually changed her position but it was usually after she fought tooth and nail until she realized that what she was doing was not the right thing and could no longer defend her position.

This wasn't all the time, but it was often enough.

Janeway could have been a male captain, an Asian captain or anything else and it wouldn't matter to me. It's about personality and hers rubbed me the wrong way often.

Other captains in the other series'ez, including Enterprise, all seemed to be able to think of the overall picture and understand and take into consideration the views of those around them, but Janeway was just too often jumping to snap decisions. "This is the problem we face, this is what we will do because it is by the book and the right thing to do. Thank you for your input, but the original plan still stands."

Again, I'm not trying to say this was all the time. There were instances where she did listen to everybody, thought about the choices and made the choices that seemed to suit everybody's consideration..... But the times where practically everybody didn't approve of her decision and when her 1st and 2nd officers tried to do their job and point out possible mistakes on her part, all hell broke loose and she'd stop the whole thing with "I'm the Captain, those are my orders."

And it's true, she was the Captain and she had the final say..... But the whole relationship between her and the crew in such matters seemed to have a hell of a lot more friction going on than other crews in the other shows.

Maybe this was done on purpose by the makers of the show to overcompensate any questions of having a female captain by some viewers & thus, show that she had the gusto like the male captains did.... But it just seemed a bit over done.... As if to say that if she changed her view on something too often and didn't stick to her guns, viewers would think she was "weak" which would be far from the truth.

The other possibility in her character being like this is for the ability to show that she is just as flawed as anybody else as you do get to see the consequences of her rigidity unfold later down the road.
 
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I was surprised to learn about the hate when I first started watching. I do think some of it is due to sexism. I'm betting a lot of male viewers weren't ready for a woman in the captain's chair.

Yeah! I think you're onto something! And you know what else? I bet a lot of females didn't watch Enterprise because they weren't ready to see a white male back in the captain's chair!
 
I don't get why Voyager fans have to act so apologist about it. Just say you like Voyager, don't try to cast aspersions on the motives of people who disagree with you.

I will of course always put Voyager in that category of "Better than 90% of television but not nearly as good as the first three series". It is a frustrating series because it always feels like the show we were originally promised was as good as the first three series and those promises were not delivered on.

But frankly, I would have forgiven every single problem with it if I liked the writing style better. Alright, so the Roddenberry Box was too restrictive in not letting them explore character conflict. That doesn't mean that once you're out of the box you should lean on the crutches every sitcom and crime procedural uses.

1) Define every character based on one trait.
2) This trait causes either a problem or a conflict with another character based on said other character's trait.
3) Work past this trait, solve issue or come to understanding with other character.
4) Forget it all one week later.

This pattern which Voyager used in most of its character issues is boring, in my opinion, and that's why I don't think it's as good as the other series. I like the pure adventure episodes better because they didn't do that sitcom crap. If you disagree, just say so. Don't act like an apologist and don't imply I have ulterior motives.
 
I didn't hate Voyager. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. Pretty much like every other Star Trek series.
 
Voyager could have followed the original premise and been a great series. Or, it could have focused on the adventure of the week and been a great series.

Instead they decided to focus over half the episodes on exploring one dimensional character quirks in disposable ways. And running from Cruella DeBorg.
 
At the end of the day we all have our different likes and dislikes, and we do sometimes extenuate the negative about things.

Our tastes can change over time, so what we accepted 5 years ago doesn't mean we will accept the same thing today.
 
The problem is that, even if they had followed the original premise, it's still only enough story for 1 season or so. The whole "Lost Ship" thing is only good for 1-2 seasons.
 
The problem is that, even if they had followed the original premise, it's still only enough story for 1 season or so. The whole "Lost Ship" thing is only good for 1-2 seasons.

Like most any TV show, the premise means little, it all comes down to the writing. A great writing staff could've given seven years of compelling drama out of the "Lost in Space" concept.
 
I like Voyager, I really like Star Trek, but when I got here, the thunderous parade of deafening orgasms about the unstoppable delight that is Voyager made my "like" comparatively seem like a bitter insipid terminal loathing.

That's exactly right, it's everyone else who has the problem, and I am am fine.
 
The problem is that, even if they had followed the original premise, it's still only enough story for 1 season or so. The whole "Lost Ship" thing is only good for 1-2 seasons.

I disagree. When I first found out about Voyager, I thought it was a way to make space-travel feel dangerous and frontier-like again, after TNG rendered it mostly a matter of one lazy diplomatic mission after another. I was very hopeful about it. The end result was that the crew never felt like they were truly roughing-it. The cliche everyone loves to talk about is how many shuttles Voyager has, since they lost a bunch. You get to see what happens to a crew that is lost and cut-off from civilization for a long time with the USS Equinox, but Voyager doesn't even come close to suffering those sorts of dents and dings or Lord of the Flies situations.

I think that was also the same concept behind Enterprise, to move back in time to when the tech wasn't perfected and space was that much more dangerous, and I didn't think that delivered either.

The TNG era shows always seemed to present space travel as utterly routine and the technology too perfect (outside of holodeck malfunctions).
 
The problem is that, even if they had followed the original premise, it's still only enough story for 1 season or so. The whole "Lost Ship" thing is only good for 1-2 seasons.

Like most any TV show, the premise means little, it all comes down to the writing. A great writing staff could've given seven years of compelling drama out of the "Lost in Space" concept.

Every single "Lost Ship" show of the last 50 years either dropped the "Lost Ship" plot after a season or so, or barely had two good seasons to it. And most of them didn't make it to 3 seasons either.

I think that says something.

You get to see what happens to a crew that is lost and cut-off from civilization for a long time with the USS Equinox, but Voyager doesn't even come close to suffering those sorts of dents and dings or Lord of the Flies situations.
Yes, and we saw that the logical ending of the Equinox story is everyone dying pointlessly after they already became sell-outs.

It's not like VOY's premise was really all that new. TOS and TNG did the same story more than once, but had the good sense to bring them home after a very short time because of inherently limited the plot is.

Someone on the General Trek forum said it best: Even if the guy behind Babylon 5 had written Voyager, he'd still have ended the "Lost Ship" storyline after 2 seasons and come up with a new plot for the rest of the show.

It didn't help that everytime they tried to come up with a new plot, the only reaction was critical panning (The Void, Scorpion, etc).
 
I was surprised to learn about the hate when I first started watching. I do think some of it is due to sexism. I'm betting a lot of male viewers weren't ready for a woman in the captain's chair.

Yeah! I think you're onto something! And you know what else? I bet a lot of females didn't watch Enterprise because they weren't ready to see a white male back in the captain's chair!

I said A LOT not ALL. Of course the entire male viewership didn't hate Voyager because Janeway was a woman. But I've lurked on forums where many have said derogatory comments because of her gender.
 
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