Why do People like Ezri?

[Admiral Shran]

She does have a sense of dingity about her--the kind that doesn't allow her to crumble, say, when Sisko "rattles her cage" in that same ep--the kind that has her fight to keep her emotions inside until she finds a quiet place where she can cry in peace.

Good point. Another reason for me to like her, as I'm pretty much the same way.

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

Very well done sir.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

I think they had a 7 year contract with the Dax symbiont and when Jadzia died, the writers and producers had to scramble to get it back in the show.

 

[ares93]

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

A picture says more than a thousand words.

 

[Thestral]

Instead of using and manipulating men, Ezri respects them. Her personality is sweet, innocent and caring - not arrogant, self-absorbed and ball-busting. She cares about the needs of others. She's warm, inviting and, dare I say it, feminine. She's also vulnerable; not all female characters have to be hard-charging, gung-ho, hoorah Amazons.

Bullhockey and bollocks about Jadzia.

Probably. I don't care for character weakness in my hard military dramas.

Hardened military drama?

 

[ares93]

^ actually, i have to agree with Mr Shran on this one. Although i liked Jadzia, i could never understand her. (that rarely happens btw) sometimes she drove me nuts.

That was probably one of the reasons i like Ezri so much. She didnt have that narcissistic arrogace jadzia was known for.

 

[Rush Limborg]

She's the kind of girl you can build a deep, abiding frienship with...one that you can refer to when you're down, and need someone to help you in your hurt.

In this, we see a warm, pleasent, nurturing nature--an innocent desire to help those who need it, to relieve the suffering of those who don't deserve to suffer. This is a most noble, heroic trait, to be honest--and to be frank, it easily indicates the connection with Julian. They both desire to help those who are hurting--Ezri for the emotional, Julian for the physical. (They make a great team, don't they--it helps make them a great couple. Too bad we didn't see much of this kindred element between them in the show....)

Now...building on "Mirror Ezri", I'd say she strikes me as something of a girl who's sweet and nice at heart, but in the tough, cruel Mirror Universe, she's struggling her best to deny that girl inside her, and make herself into a "tough-as-nails" tomboy. She's desperate not to let anyone think of her as "weak"...so she puts on a bitter, cynical, smart-aleck air which, frankly, smacks of defensiveness.

Our Ezri would have a field day with counseling her.

To be fair, are you sure you arent just counseling her yourself? You say shes the type of girl you can build 'a deep abiding friendship with', but who actually develops that kind fo relationship with her in the show? You can compare her need to help people with Julian's, but like you yourself say, this is barely addressed in the show. Instead of getting a romance based on these things the romance is forced and artificial, with no passion. Lastly, you can speculate about Mirror Ezri all you want, but really theres very little to base this on.

These are all things which could have been addressed, and would have made good episodes, but again, they just didnt have the time to do it. I mean you may be right about all of them, but what youre essentially doing is making excuses for sloppy writing.

Yes, possibly...but I would prefer to think of it as "filling in the blanks"--extrapolation, based on what we did see.

In the case of Mirror Ezri, it has to do with her striking me as a girl with a chip on her shoulder--she seems a bit too hard-edged, if you know what I mean.

She does have a sense of dingity about her--the kind that doesn't allow her to crumble, say, when Sisko "rattles her cage" in that same ep--the kind that has her fight to keep her emotions inside until she finds a quiet place where she can cry in peace.

Good point. Another reason for me to like her, as I'm pretty much the same way.

Absolutely.

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

I'll never agree about the Julian romance, but a job well done, Rush.

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

Very well done sir.

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

A picture says more than a thousand words.

(Takes a bow.)

 

[CaptainStoner]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia. I think people are having a hangover from 1950's gender inequality here. Jadzia's not a girly girl, but that doesn't mean unfeminine. She's a woman of power. She takes care of herself and allows herself to have fun. It takes a well centered, powerful man to meet a woman like that. Bashir, though I like him, wasn't that man, especially earlier in the series.

 

[Kirby]

I didn't have a problem with Ezri, but I don't see why the felt the need to bring in a new character during the last season. There was so much going that had to be wrapped up on the show they could have done that without a new Dax, or maybe have Ezri visit the station in one episode as part of a B story for some closure, but no more than that.

Had Ferrell wanted to leave after the 5th or 6th season, then Ezri would be fine, but they rushed to develop her in too short span of time, and I think the character suffered for it.

 

[Thestral]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia. I think people are having a hangover from 1950's gender inequality here. Jadzia's not a girly girl, but that doesn't mean unfeminine. She's a woman of power. She takes care of herself and allows herself to have fun. It takes a well centered, powerful man to meet a woman like that. Bashir, though I like him, wasn't that man, especially earlier in the series.

Exactly. Jadzia was a woman in command of herself and her surroundings - powerful is a good word. I adore Ezri, and she had her own kind of power, but I'll not denigrate Jadzia for it.

 

[Saquist]

Instead of using and manipulating men, Ezri respects them. Her personality is sweet, innocent and caring - not arrogant, self-absorbed and ball-busting. She cares about the needs of others. She's warm, inviting and, dare I say it, feminine. She's also vulnerable; not all female characters have to be hard-charging, gung-ho, hoorah Amazons.

Bullhockey and bollocks about Jadzia.

Probably. I don't care for character weakness in my hard military dramas.

Hardened military drama?

Kira
Sisko
O'Brian
Jadzia
Worf
Dukat

All battleharden war veterans....
The Ferengi were spineless smugglers and denizens
Odo...the crusty sheriff
Even Bashir plays the genetic undesirable

and then there's Ezri....

 

[Admiral Shran]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia.

Watch these....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C37B1XGR-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GFrpO0y11s&feature=related

They pretty much sum up why I don't like Jadzia.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia.

There most certainly was.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia. I think people are having a hangover from 1950's gender inequality here. Jadzia's not a girly girl, but that doesn't mean unfeminine. She's a woman of power. She takes care of herself and allows herself to have fun. It takes a well centered, powerful man to meet a woman like that. Bashir, though I like him, wasn't that man, especially earlier in the series.

Gender "equality" does not and should NOT mean lording it over men--sorry.

Real equality is being ladies and gentlemen in a way that is not sexist...basically, showing respect to oneself and one's fellow beings regardless of their gender. Gender equality is not verbally slapping someone down because they open a door for a woman, for example--it should be opening doors for anyone because it is the polite thing not to drop a door in someone's face, whether they are male or female.

Nor should it be about using sexuality as a weapon in return just because some men did that in the past, or turning men into playthings and treating them like it's OK to emotionally manipulate them for one's amusement, because men are PEOPLE who have the right to dignity, just like anybody else. It should be about a relationship that is governed by respect and BOTH parties putting the other first.

 

[Saquist]

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia. I think people are having a hangover from 1950's gender inequality here. Jadzia's not a girly girl, but that doesn't mean unfeminine. She's a woman of power. She takes care of herself and allows herself to have fun. It takes a well centered, powerful man to meet a woman like that. Bashir, though I like him, wasn't that man, especially earlier in the series.

There is nothing narcissistic or arrogant about Jadzia. I think people are having a hangover from 1950's gender inequality here. Jadzia's not a girly girl, but that doesn't mean unfeminine. She's a woman of power. She takes care of herself and allows herself to have fun. It takes a well centered, powerful man to meet a woman like that. Bashir, though I like him, wasn't that man, especially earlier in the series.

Exactly. Jadzia was a woman in command of herself and her surroundings - powerful is a good word. I adore Ezri, and she had her own kind of power, but I'll not denigrate Jadzia for it.

Indeed. I like a woman that knows what to do with herself. It's a mans world and women are looked at as unwomanly when they throw their weight around.

All I hear is the same anti-woman attitudes when people talk about Jadzia and Voyager. These are SMART women, in difficult roles. The same thing with Kassidy Yates and Kai Win. DS9 busted out with ambitious and awesome women with authority but who were still women....

I applaud the approach.

 

[TheLobes]

Yes, possibly...but I would prefer to think of it as "filling in the blanks"--extrapolation, based on what we did see.

Well isnt 'filling in the blanks' just as bad? I mean if theres a character in there you have to do that to, and to such an extent, doesnt it invite the argument that she didnt belong in the show to begin with? Especially during the final season, where screentime was at such a premium?

In the case of Mirror Ezri, it has to do with her striking me as a girl with a chip on her shoulder--she seems a bit too hard-edged, if you know what I mean.

Well, yeah, but then every character in the MU is overacted, thats one of the few fun things about the MU episodes. Doesnt mean those characters are particularly deep or thought out, its just the way the show was.

 

[neogothboy74]

I liked Ezri right off because I thought she was well cast. I thought the actress gave her enough mannerisms of Jadzia but was different enough that the transition worked for me. I didn't love her right way though, I just thought she was an ok fit. The reason I love Ezri is her relationship with Worf and how it differs from that of Jadzia and how they demonstrate that difference. Her conversation with Worf in "Tacking Into The Wind" is possibly my most favorite moment from Season 7 - which is directly responsible for Worf's challenging Gowron & Martok becoming Chancellor. Not only did Ezri change Worf's mind...she changed mine. I'd always liked Gowron from his days on TNG, but in a single scene Ezri made me rethink all his appearances and come away with a new understanding. A new outlook, that's what Ezri brought to DS9, and in the 7th Season, that was a breath of much needed freh air.

 

[Deckerd]

She does have a sense of dingity about her--the kind that doesn't allow her to crumble, say, when Sisko "rattles her cage" in that same ep--the kind that has her fight to keep her emotions inside until she finds a quiet place where she can cry in peace.

Good point. Another reason for me to like her, as I'm pretty much the same way.

Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?

Very well done sir.

I wish I had a dingity.

 

[Robert D. Robot]

I wish I had a dingity.

Oh- I used to wish that I had a dingity, too.... 'til one ate my baby!

 

[Shazam!]

I hate weak women charcters

Why?

 

[TheLobes]

Her conversation with Worf in "Tacking Into The Wind" is possibly my most favorite moment from Season 7 - which is directly responsible for Worf's challenging Gowron & Martok becoming Chancellor. Not only did Ezri change Worf's mind...she changed mine. I'd always liked Gowron from his days on TNG, but in a single scene Ezri made me rethink all his appearances and come away with a new understanding.

I hated that speech, to me it was so mindnumbingly obvious to begin with. Of course the Klingons arent honourable, its shown in like every episode where we get to see their society, our privilege as audience has been to know these things. It was just the same as if Ezri had gone up to Worf and said: 'Hey, dont you think its weird that every race we encounter is basically human looking, with only small facial differences?' Its something that had been part of the show for a long time.