Paging
Rush Limborg.
Rush Limborg please.
BTW:
Rushbo! Get you ass in here ASAP! Ezri's honor is at stake!
^ Exactly, I'm no good on my own. I need
Rush to back me up. Or really, I need back
Rush up.
And all that being said, where the heck is Rush Limborg? I may not understand his Ezri love, but I do so enjoy how passionate he is in his opinions and eloquent in his arguments. Rush m'boy, get in here and defend your lady! Bring it on!
I really wish
Rush were here. He'd set us all straight on how awesome Ezri is. Even though I'd still disagree with him, it would be fun!
I really wish
Rush were here. He'd set us all straight on how awesome Ezri is. Even though I'd still disagree with him, it would be fun!
I have no idea where he is, but he's not on MSN either. We need you, mate!
(
"Rushes" into thread.)
WHEW!
Sorry I'm late, folks.... I am regenerated for Thanksgiving. The folks haven't had Internet access for a few months now. *sigh*
To make matters worse...my laptop has given me
The Dreaded Blue Screen. I handed it to Office Depot, to see if they can fix it--or at least, save all my documents. I'm writing from a library computer right now. *double sigh*
OKAY! Let's get down to business....
It would be remiss of me to basically repeat what everyone else has said--so I'll instead
build on them all:
Why do I love her? Because she's the polar opposite of Jadzia.
Instead of using and manipulating men, Ezri respects them. Her personality is sweet, innocent and caring - not arrogant, self-absorbed and ball-busting. She cares about the needs of others. She's warm, inviting and, dare I say it, feminine. She's also vulnerable; not all female characters have to be hard-charging, gung-ho, hoorah Amazons.
Absolutely. Jadzia was notorious for being, as my good friend
Nerys has often put it, a Party Girl. Wild, carefree, "free spirit", she is not the person who truly appreciates the "deeper" things of life, contstantly giving snarky remarks that leave little, if anything, sacred. She also has a "One Of The Guys" air--a tomboy, if you will.
The other aspect of her personality is her coldness to the idea of true romance. Now...Ezri takes the concept very seriously, to the point where she tells Juilian that they should put off the relationship for a bit...to make sure that if they
do get together, it won't be a "romatic fantasy" that could blow up in their faces.
Jadzia? Well, she's very "freewilling" towards some men, and very coy towards others. It seems to depend on what "mood" she's in--whether she wants to bed a guy in a one-night stand, or play a "game" and make him insane trying to win her favor...which he never does.
(Poor Julain...she keeps teasing him over and over...and keeps leaving him in the night. Frankly...when Ezri reveals that "If Worf hadn't come along...", the reason it gave him closure was that he
finally got that Jadzia was never the kind of woman he truly wanted, let alone have been happy with....)
Frankly...this increases my respect for Worf--as Shakespere put it at the end of one of his finest works: "Now go thy ways, thou hast tamed a cursed shrew!"
Ezri, as
Shran has put it, is respectful of others, respectful of men. She's the kind of girl you can build a deep, abiding frienship with...one that you can refer to when you're down, and need someone to help you in your hurt.
In this, we see a warm, pleasent, nurturing nature--an innocent desire to help those who need it, to relieve the suffering of those who don't deserve to suffer. This is a most noble, heroic trait, to be honest--and to be frank, it easily indicates the connection with Julian. They both desire to help those who are hurting--Ezri for the emotional, Julian for the physical. (They make a great team, don't they--it helps make them a great couple. Too bad we didn't see much of this kindred element between them in the show....)
Now, contrary to what many say, the quality of vulnerability is NOT a "weakness". To the contrary--it is a great strength, in that Ezri and others like her are not afraid to acknowledge their limitations. The "tough gals" like Seven or Jadzia or T'Pol--they try to bury this quality, struggling to dismiss their limitations, and shake it off with an attitude of frankly arrogant invincibility. Ezri has no such delusions about herself. She knows her limits--and isn't afraid to express her doubts about herself.
Still...she isn't one to ask for help over everything. Note in the beginning of "Afterimage", when Kira opens her mouth--presumably to offer Ezri some consolation--but Ezri stiffens and says, "Well--I'll let you get to your prayers." She
does have a sense of dingity about her--the kind that doesn't allow her to crumble, say, when Sisko "rattles her cage" in that same ep--the kind that has her fight to keep her emotions inside until she finds a quiet place where she can cry in peace.
Also...it's the dignity that takes offense at Worf having avoided her for the past six months--to say nothing of his questioning her sexual purity! (Something tells me Jadzia would have raised an eyebrow at Worf's remark, and said in a sensual tone, "Oh...
am I?")
These two elements--vulnerability and dignity--give her a lot of complexity, too--and this draws folks like me and my allies to her, as well.
That and she's one of the most attractive women I've ever seen.
Absolutely. The camera LOVES that girl....
I didn't like her. She was too childish for my taste. Too weak. Too boneless.
And MU Ezri was just ridiculous. It's not enough to paint a heavy make up on her face to make her look "tough and dangerous". She still had her baby face, thin voice and cute look. She was just soooooooo NOT tough.
WTF are you talking about?
Not tough?
(snicker) Building on
that:
Now...building on "Mirror Ezri", I'd say she strikes me as something of a girl who's sweet and nice at heart, but in the tough, cruel Mirror Universe, she's struggling her best to deny that girl inside her, and make herself into a "tough-as-nails" tomboy. She's desperate not to let anyone think of her as "weak"...so she puts on a bitter, cynical, smart-aleck air which, frankly, smacks of defensiveness.
Our Ezri would have a field day with counseling her.
Im a big fan of ezri, she was the innocent eyes viewing the whole ds9 arc. I never really liked Jadzia that much.
I really like the way she seemed to trying to explore and try to figure out who she was which is a storyline that continues into the novels and there where some great episodes like field of fire in which she explores who she is seeing as she suddenly has all these lives of experience thrown at her.
I also kind of felt she freshened the show up a little bit, we got new character relationships, i felt she helped give bashir something that he lacked in the previous series.
Amen on all counts--nothing much to add to that...except I'm frankly not too impressed with how Ezri "developes" in the relaunch. It's as if the writers apparently felt that "warm and nurturing" wasn't too "cool".
As a result, we're a the point in the Lit forum where someone brought up that Ezri just doesn't seem to have that much story potential anymore. (I don't agree with that--but I see the point. Bring back the elements in her we know and love...and
then we'll see the possibilities become endless!)
Ezri seems to be one of those characters people either love or hate. I understand both opinions. Personally, I liked Jadzia more but I liked Ezri too. She's different.
...Ezri can't take on six Klingons at once or calculate the probability of winning the Dominion War in her head. She's not as conniving as Garak, she's not as tough as Kira or Jadzia, and she certainly couldn't hold her own in a fight against the legendary Dahar Master Koloth. She's cute, pretty, and feminine. But don't, under any circumstances, mistake that for weakness. Comparatively speaking, yes, she's far 'weaker' in on sense than the rest of the characters, but another Klingon Party Girl with a chip on her shoulder who's best friend is her Bat'leth would be absolutely pointless. The show had enough 'tough' characters. However, she can be tough when she needs to be as others have mentioned. Ezri's different. She's sweet, gentle, naive, cute, and a little bit neurotic. If you don't like her, that's your choice. But I think she's awesome.
Exactly. Ezri brought an element that DS9 was sorely lacking in. She was a new
fresh character. Gentleness is a virtue too, folks.
Also...as an Aspie, I actually find her eccentricities quite endearing. I definitely can identify with her "rambling" at times, etc.
I think it would have been better if she had been introduced BEFORE Jadzia died. That way it would have been a more meaningful character arc for her to get past her neuroses and fear and the shock of having Dax's memories. The way it happened she just got introduced as annoying and quirky. Which is fine, but it would have been more meaningful if introduced earlier.
I actually agree. There was some talk some time back about, "What if Ezri had been introduced as the counselor assigned to O'Brien"?" We were tossing around that there could be a bit of a clash between Jadzia and Ezri...and of course, Julian's grattitude with Ezri saving his friend leads to the beginning of a beautiful friendship....
And when Ezri's forced to get the symbiont, Julian is there for her, to help her recover....
*sigh* what might have been....
I like Ezri, because she seems the most "human" from all. That she does mistakes and her cute, somewhat clumsy seeming personality makes her sympatic.
Also I think, if we had seen her for more season and she had more time to sort out all the memories of the hosts before her, she would seem wiser as well.
And that she was not such a professiona counsellor..well she was only a counsellor in training, wasn´t she? And it does take time and experience to become a good counsellor. So I found it realistic, that she was not perfect in her job.
And NG, the episode with Garak...oh, that was one of the few time I felt really angry with Garak. That was so mean, honest, but mean.
TerokNor
Yep--and as I've often said, Ezri actually turns out to be a great counselor in the end. I think a good look at her body language in the scene where she makes Garak break down and cry makes the point that--regardless of the writers' intent--Nicole's acting gives an implication that she actually figured it all out--and was returing to Garak to test the theory. (Note how she talks about the
Destiny going to Kalandra--how intently she looks at him when she says it. And of course, there's the casual, "Are you all right?" and the intent look with, "Let's hope it goes well..."
How long has it been since we've had one of these threads? A couple of years? Same old points made.
Why do people like Ezri?
A character Arc, a much better premise for a character then Jadzia, as noted she was a character that many felt they could relate to, an element that shook up that show, a catalyst for other character to change, a chance to learn more about the Trill especially how others react with the change, a competent actress, interest in underdog characters and yes Nicole de Boer is attractive (and how many arguments has that spawned?)
Agreed--on all counts.
^ this series just cracks me up. is this available on dvd somewhere or is it too old?
oh and while were on the subject. how can some not find her attractive? i sure as hell cant explain it:
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq245/ares9304/dsc07650.jpg
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq245/ares9304/nicole-and-paul.jpg
Wow. Again--it's a shame they put Ezri in a "cocktail waitress" outfit in "Badda-Bang", as opposed to something like that last pick....
Well! How's that for Defending A Lady's Honor?
