(BTW...I'd say my quote would be a most interesting sig for ya. You have my permission if you like--just use my standard name, Rush Limborg.)
Now, now. Let's not rush anything here.
Why do People like Ezri?
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Well, I'd love to tour Ireland, too--see my roots, and all that....
But I have British blood, too--perhaps where I get my "formal" air--which, yes, clashes witht the temper. *sigh*
I dunno. Someplace soothing...relaxed, serene...
Yeah. Switzerland. I hear the banks are awesome, there, too--and the chocolate.
(BTW...I'd say my quote would be a most interesting sig for ya. You have my permission if you like--just use my standard name, Rush Limborg.
Now, now. Let's not rush anything here.
Aw, c'mon.
"I am not given in to the Tellarite concept of "fun". And you, iguana, are a Tellarite.
"Imagine the field day the TNZ imbeciles would have with that, at my expense!
Seeing as the conversation here has cooled down quite a bit since my last post, forgive me for changing my mind but I'd like to throw in two more cents. Or at least emphasize my previous two cents.
What you all need to realize...or, more accurately, recall, since I'm sure you already know, is this: 'beauty', 'attractiveness', and 'likability' are all qualities that are in the eye of the beholder. They are OPINIONS, not facts. So you can't tell someone they're wrong about a person's beauty, or say that someone is 'definitely' more attractive than someone else. It's a personal, subjective opinion.
Now as for the more interesting discussion about equality...a lot of you have made some excellent points. While I may not agree with the SEVERITY of your opinions about Jadzia (for those of you, like my friend Rushbo, who don't like her attitude towards men), I can see the basis of those qualities in her. I see where you're coming from.
I saw an interesting t-shirt the other day...it said "Never fight fire with fire. Nobody can handle two fires." While it's a funny slogan, it's true in regards to things like sexism and chauvinism. It's not right for someone who has been a victim of racism by individuals of a certain race to then be racist towards all members of that race, and the same goes for chauvinists and sexists. Sexism and racism go both ways, and tolerance needs to go both ways as well. Although in my humble opinion, 'tolerance' is a weak, overused word. Tolerating someone doesn't mean you like them or accept them, just that you don't show your displeasure with them.
In short...can't we ALL just get along?
What you all need to realize...or, more accurately, recall, since I'm sure you already know, is this: 'beauty', 'attractiveness', and 'likability' are all qualities that are in the eye of the beholder. They are OPINIONS, not facts. So you can't tell someone they're wrong about a person's beauty, or say that someone is 'definitely' more attractive than someone else. It's a personal, subjective opinion.
Now as for the more interesting discussion about equality...a lot of you have made some excellent points. While I may not agree with the SEVERITY of your opinions about Jadzia (for those of you, like my friend Rushbo, who don't like her attitude towards men), I can see the basis of those qualities in her. I see where you're coming from.
I saw an interesting t-shirt the other day...it said "Never fight fire with fire. Nobody can handle two fires." While it's a funny slogan, it's true in regards to things like sexism and chauvinism. It's not right for someone who has been a victim of racism by individuals of a certain race to then be racist towards all members of that race, and the same goes for chauvinists and sexists. Sexism and racism go both ways, and tolerance needs to go both ways as well. Although in my humble opinion, 'tolerance' is a weak, overused word. Tolerating someone doesn't mean you like them or accept them, just that you don't show your displeasure with them.
In short...can't we ALL just get along?
+1
Quoted for truth. Couldn't have said it better myself.
On a sidenote while while on the subject of sex and t'shirts. I just got myself a t'shirt that says "I don't need sex. The government fucks me every day." You wouldn't believe the looks i got when passing by the parliament today.
While I'm not too keen on the Rodney King quote (he was a bit of a hypocrite when asking that), I agree--100%.
But hey--it's what happens when you put an Italian and a lad with an Irish background in the ring....
AWESOME!
Reminds me of the beginning of Neil Boortz's The FairTax Book. He sarcastically comments on how booring the subject of the tax code may sound--and remarks on the possibility of starting the book with "a gratuitous sex scene--maybe a chapter on how we're all getting screwed by the governement...."
But hey--it's what happens when you put an Italian and a lad with an Irish background in the ring....
my god! i'm afraid to even think about it. wouldnt be a very pretty sight. especially since my last encounter with an irishman landed me in the hospital.
First of all, I must thank CindyLouWho in her mod's hat for her support (not necessarily of my position, but of my style of posting). I bow to wisdom, since I have no intention of causing any ruckus in this thread. At the same time, it was a little unsettling being dubbed IT and talked about like a children-eating monster...
Well, I just use 'IT' cus I'm too lazy to look up the spelling of your username when it's not there, quotable in the text. Plenty of people around here call me PK, and I'm good with that - and this is the same thing. Really more a show of casual affection than anything - I wouldn't do that if I saw you as a troublemaker, for example.
Troublemakers always get their full username spelled out in the posts I make wearing my mod hat...'for the permanent record'. But I don't see you (or St. William, for that matter! Are you reading this, St. William??? 
) in that category. You guys are both very good posters - and my interjections here as mod have been more cautionary than anything....just to make sure we stay far enough away from the line so that I can continue to enjoy the discussion myself, and not have to go all buzzkill on you guys. 
And no...I don't consider you to be a 'child-eating monster'. But I have read enough of your posts over the years to know that when it comes to debate, you keep your eye on the ball and don't let much slide. Doesn't make you a child-eating monster...but put it this way: I know that if I ever wanted to take you on in a debate, before I made the first post I'd make damn sure I knew what I was talking about, had my facts straight, and had evaluated my position for inconsistencies. Because if there is a weakness, you will FIND it.
Nothing wrong with that. Some of us like to be challenged with that sort of scenario - I know that I do. And I imagine St. William does too!
From my perspective, you guys have done great - I'm just hangin' around to keep it that way (as mod), and to enjoy reading the discussion (as a poster myself).
In honesty, IT, I don't think he was using words like 'sir' to be a jerk. I know what you are saying about how some people use formalities to manipulate the discussion, but I am inclined to believe that this sort of manipulation was not St. William's intent in this instance. The requisite level of sarcasm wasn't present, it didn't seem like to me.
Of course, guys, this is a completely subjective judgment call on my part...
....but for the time being that is my feeling.
And I just KNOW that St. William will not prove me to have been in error in that assessment.
Well, well, well.....look who's home!!!!!!
Frontier!!!! Good to see you in the DS9 forum!
Nothing to add to your actual post. Just wanted to say hello since I'd not seen you in here much lately.
However, just to strike the difference between cultures, around here in Italy I'm the Vulcan: cold-blooded, composed, reserved, and stoic. So that you know if you would ever plan a visit to Rome or Venice.
Just for the record, having traveled all over the world myself and having determined Italy to be my all time favorite country a long time ago (for a myriad of reasons), I wouldn't call you 'cold-blooded'...but by Italian standards, yes - you are actually fairly reserved. Are you from the north or something? I mean, what's up with that?
^Mamma Mia.
If you're a Vulcan in Italy--I am NOT going there any time soon!
Nope. Britain for me.
(I know--Italy's food is infinitely superior, as anyone knows...but I'd say it'd be worth the sacrifice. Maybe Switzerland....)
Okay...this post right here is just plain blasphemy!
While IT is probably quite capable of defending his homeland, I gotta say it - putting Italian food and British food in even the same PARAGRAPH is...well....just WRONG. It's like comparing a $600-a-bottle fine wine to a puddle of pee. (*hopes none of her British friends are reading this*) I mean, I adore the UK...but 'good food' is most definitely NOT one of the reasons. And no...NOT 'worth the sacrifice'. In fact, one of the best things ABOUT Italy is it's people - unruly, boisterous, and passionate...yes. But it's hard to top a culture that can laugh at itself...and at life. And who can simply enjoy life so much.
Best country ever, IMO.
And putting Switzerland (of all places! GAH!) in as a compromise between the UK and Italy is also just...wrong.
As Noriah and I were discussing the last time I was in Milan...Italy has given us wonderful food, delicious wine, fabulous coffee, spectacular art, passionate music, incomparable history, breathtaking scenery, and an unparalleled passion for living.
Switzerland has given us....
.....wait for it.....the cuckoo clock.
I love the UK (great history, beautiful scenery, excellent whiskey, wonderful people)....and I love Italy (for all of the reasons above...plus the extraordinary abundance of spectacularly BEAUTIFUL men
...but I digress )...but at this point in my traveling career, the only reason I can think of to go to Switzerland is that they have excellent plumbing and water pressure. 
As a full fledged inhabitant and descendant of the Northwestern European Archipelago (AKA, the British isles, the Anglo-Irish islands or the place where those barbarians come from), I can full endorse everything that PK has said about my people and our wonderfully hot blooded Italian allies.
(yep, I'm gonna commit a cardinal sin and place all the Brtish and the Irish together as one entity, for which I apologize to St William as one member of the Irish diaspora to another.)
Whilst our whiskeys and ales are magnificent, the wine is indeed not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as our continental cousins. Our food is bland yet serviceable but if you want style and elegance then you go for Italy (or perhaps France). But we make up for it in our bloody mindedness...
), I can full endorse everything that PK has said about my people and our wonderfully hot blooded Italian allies.(yep, I'm gonna commit a cardinal sin and place all the Brtish and the Irish together as one entity, for which I apologize to St William as one member of the Irish diaspora to another.
)Whilst our whiskeys and ales are magnificent, the wine is indeed not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as our continental cousins. Our food is bland yet serviceable but if you want style and elegance then you go for Italy (or perhaps France). But we make up for it in our bloody mindedness...
Because I am not given in to the Tellarite concept of "fun". And you, iguana, are a Tellarite.
Oh, this could be a bizarre photomanip--one that unlike the Photomanip That Shall Not Be Named, is way beyond my skill.
VERY well said. Racism is racism, sexism is sexism...there is no such thing as "reverse" racism or sexism. It's wrong and degrading to the soul of whoever does it, as well as the effect it has on the victim of the moment.
^Right as usual, Nerys!
You're not giving me enough benefit of the doubt.
(Nah. Thanks!)
In honesty, IT, I don't think he was using words like 'sir' to be a jerk. I know what you are saying about how some people use formalities to manipulate the discussion, but I am inclined to believe that this sort of manipulation was not St. William's intent in this instance. The requisite level of sarcasm wasn't present, it didn't seem like to me.
Of course, guys, this is a completely subjective judgment call on my part...
....but for the time being that is my feeling.
And I just KNOW that St. William will not prove me to have been in error in that assessment.
You're not giving me enough benefit of the doubt.
(Nah. Thanks!
)
Oh, and on the whole "heritage" debate...I'm not sure what exactly I qualify as. I am 1/4 Dutch (and I look most like it and take most after my grandpa, who is 1st-generation American, full-blooded Dutch), 1/4 German, and then 1/2 who knows what, which is probably British, Native American, and a bit of Irish.
But I really only identify with the Germanic side of me, because that's the heritage that was passed down more to me, in terms of actually knowing what it is. We don't really know where my dad's side of the family came from in great detail, because they were in the US so long, and spent part of that time dirt poor. (It really is inspiring how the hard work of the 20th/21st-century generations paid off.)
Not sure WHAT that makes me.
But I really only identify with the Germanic side of me, because that's the heritage that was passed down more to me, in terms of actually knowing what it is. We don't really know where my dad's side of the family came from in great detail, because they were in the US so long, and spent part of that time dirt poor. (It really is inspiring how the hard work of the 20th/21st-century generations paid off.)
Not sure WHAT that makes me.
^You're a melting pot, lass--as I am:
From my father's side, I get 1/4 Irish, 1/16 Cherokee, and 3/16 Pennsylvania Dutch (which is actually German--the confusion's due to the German word for "German"...)--probably Mennonite.
My mother's side: 1/8 Cuban, 1/8 Mexican, 1/8 Dutch, and 1/8 British.
I guess from my Hispanic blood, I get a more sleepy demeanor (no siestas here--if I can help it). From my Irish blood, my temper. Native American, my sense of honor and dignity. British, my love of things being "proper" and orderly. Dutch and German...well, I'm not sure what I get from that....
From my father's side, I get 1/4 Irish, 1/16 Cherokee, and 3/16 Pennsylvania Dutch (which is actually German--the confusion's due to the German word for "German"...)--probably Mennonite.
My mother's side: 1/8 Cuban, 1/8 Mexican, 1/8 Dutch, and 1/8 British.
I guess from my Hispanic blood, I get a more sleepy demeanor (no siestas here--if I can help it). From my Irish blood, my temper. Native American, my sense of honor and dignity. British, my love of things being "proper" and orderly. Dutch and German...well, I'm not sure what I get from that....
Now that IS quite a heritage right there! Only in America!
In my case I actually LOOK Dutch, to the point where if I go to my grandparents' church, where almost everyone is Dutch or has strong Dutch ancestry, I actually blend in, in a way I usually don't. I mean, while a pale white girl doesn't usually stand out, there is definitely an ethnic look to my face and my features that I don't see in most people (and when I was little, I always wondered why I didn't quite look like the usual "American girl" drawing). I have also been told by a lady from the Netherlands that I looked as though I were Dutch.
In my case I actually LOOK Dutch, to the point where if I go to my grandparents' church, where almost everyone is Dutch or has strong Dutch ancestry, I actually blend in, in a way I usually don't. I mean, while a pale white girl doesn't usually stand out, there is definitely an ethnic look to my face and my features that I don't see in most people (and when I was little, I always wondered why I didn't quite look like the usual "American girl" drawing). I have also been told by a lady from the Netherlands that I looked as though I were Dutch.
^Well, let me connect this to the Original Topic...I think you once noted that Ezri seems to have a "Dutch" look?
(Interestingly enough--Nicole deBoer apparently has a Dutch background!)
(Interestingly enough--Nicole deBoer apparently has a Dutch background!)
Yes, Nicole de Boer has Dutch ancestry, and I will admit that on a completely superficial level, I do find I identify with Ezri more not just because of personality (and I can see a lot of myself in that department), but because of looks, too. Like I said, it's rare to see someone who looks like me, so it gets my attention.
(Edit: very unclear pronouns. Fixed now.)
(Edit: very unclear pronouns. Fixed now.)
Oh--well, uh...I sincerely hope I don't cause any embarrasment or discomfort on your part whenever I describe my attraction to Ezri....
^Ha ha...Rushbo, you're awesome!
Just for the record, I wasn't quoting Rodney King, I was saying exactly what I said and nothing more. I didn't even know who he was until I googled him.
Thank you, Nerys.
Just for the record, I wasn't quoting Rodney King, I was saying exactly what I said and nothing more. I didn't even know who he was until I googled him.
Thank you, Nerys.
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