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Why didn't they ever promote Ens.Kim?

Lots of other officers received promotions while on-duty, on board, by the captain. Several on Voyager! Wesley was given Acting Ensign and later promoted to full Ensign! Harry was a Bridge Officer, and clearly demonstrated knowledge in his area, more then other Lieutenants... So why couldn't Janeway just give poor little Harry a promotion?
 
Why didn't they ever promote Ens.Kim?

Lots of other officers received promotions while on-duty, on board, by the captain. Several on Voyager! Wesley was given Acting Ensign and later promoted to full Ensign! Harry was a Bridge Officer, and clearly demonstrated knowledge in his area, more then other Lieutenants... So why couldn't Janeway just give poor little Harry a promotion?

For that matter, why was Tom Paris who was demoted as punishment, promoted back before Harry, who had done nothing wrong and definitely nothing as wrong as committing an act of terrorism?
What kind of example does it display?
 
...it wasn't poorly written. You've just become unfamiliar with it.

Why was Kim treated so poorly as becoming the whipping boy of the senior staff? Why was Tom Paris given so much slack?
These are questions that are never answered, especially not by the biggest fans of the series.
 
Tom Paris was given his original rank back in the first or second episode. He was temporarily demoted in season 5, then later, his rank was restored.

Harry Kim wasn't the whipping boy, he just held a position that called for an ensign, and he had no way to move up without switching jobs, which he apparently didn't want to do. He told his mom there was no opportunity for advancement until he got home.

Even as an ensign, he was still at the top of the food chain of the ship. Not sure what this has to do with bad writing. However, Robbie Duncan McNiell was a team player, was always on time, got involved in production, editing, and directing, and from what I've heard, Garrett Wang, while a nice guy, was sort of a slacker on set.
 
About Tuvik, I wonder why so few people have stood up for letting Tuvik live, after Capt. Janeway has announced her intention to do everything possible to get Tuvok and Neelix back.
-> Chakotay ‎who often accustomed us to yell at the top of Janeway's voice when he disagreed, ‎remained well strangely silent. Same for B'Elena, Tom or Kim even if they may not had the freedom to speak... even though ‎it never stopped them before. And what to say about the Doctor, who preferred to hide behind the Hippocratic Oath to avoid removing Tuvik while while at other time (you can even count several times), he trampled the said oath without flinching, because it suited him well.
 
About Tuvik, I wonder why so few people have stood up for letting Tuvik live, after Capt. Janeway has announced her intention to do everything possible to get Tuvok and Neelix back.
-> Chakotay ‎who often accustomed us to yell at the top of Janeway's voice when he disagreed, ‎remained well strangely silent. Same for B'Elena, Tom or Kim even if they may not had the freedom to speak... even though ‎it never stopped them before. And what to say about the Doctor, who preferred to hide behind the Hippocratic Oath to avoid removing Tuvik while while at other time (you can even count several times), he trampled the said oath without flinching, because it suited him well.

You have a point. It all felt really weird. The indifference with which they looked at him while he was being dragged forcefully to his death was very reminiscent of the way people behave in dictatorships when people are arrested for no reason (other than being born!) and sent to a concentration camp to be gassed.
 
Tom Paris was given his original rank back in the first or second episode. He was temporarily demoted in season 5, then later, his rank was restored.

Harry Kim wasn't the whipping boy, he just held a position that called for an ensign, and he had no way to move up without switching jobs, which he apparently didn't want to do. He told his mom there was no opportunity for advancement until he got home.

Even as an ensign, he was still at the top of the food chain of the ship. Not sure what this has to do with bad writing. However, Robbie Duncan McNiell was a team player, was always on time, got involved in production, editing, and directing, and from what I've heard, Garrett Wang, while a nice guy, was sort of a slacker on set.

Just a little comment about the case "Harry Kim", please let's stop to want to see this character a more important figure than he was. I mean; Harry Kim just came out fresh from the academy when he arrived on board. Yes he was valedictorian of his class, what gave him the opportunity to choose his assignment (the USS Voyager) and position (Operations Officer) but his shyness and the fact that he was easily impressionable, should instead have been ‎prejudicial for his progress (cf to Lt Reginald Barclay) but nope, after the Kazon attack, Janeway offered him a position where he almost self-manages himself and a seat in the senior crew meeting, what were already 2 great rewards, ‎which surely gave him wings as seeing as he gave orders to more ranking officers than him, while he was still a young blue Enseign. And instead of being satisfied with what he already had at a young age and with so little experience, he was annoyed for 7 years no to have been promoted Lieutenant! Maybe this guy was gifted but he seriously lacked a certain form of intelligence!

As for Garrett Wang, even if he was young when he was hired, afterwards, his attitude towards producers/actors and general behaviour during the shooting afterwards, were unforgivable. It's completly ‎unconscious and even crazy to spend the time to crying out for bad ideas/scenarios and next to that, to expect being offered the opportunity to direct episodes, even as the person refused to lend to a minimum: undergo training, as others actors experiencing directing did before him, in being seriously involved in the new task..
Since the end of Voyager in 2001, Wang did not initiate any excuse against producers (including his accusations of racism) and former colleagues (when an actor/actress arrives on set, very late and without knowing his/her text, he/she shows a certain disrespect towards those with whom he/she will share the stage/set -> it's the same with ordinary people who have to attend a meeting but arrive late and didn't prepare/work!).

My questions :
- as an actor bubbling with ideas ‎as he liked to introduce himself, ‎why not have thrown himself in the development of the sci-fi screenplay for TV or Internet or books/fan fiction, since the end of Voyager, as others did ? About ST: Renegades became Renegades, I read that he agreed to reprise his role of Harry Kim IF the adventure had led to a TV series. I remind that Wang ‎played in any of the episodes of this fiction. It's easy to let others taking all the risks (including to make a fool of the character/acting) and to criticse performance, scenarios, etc... but when it comes to taking risks, to embark on the adventure, he doesn't show any sign of life!
- he didn't stop reproaching to producers not to have give him the opportunity to direct an episode of Voyager but did he arrange for taking directing course and accumulating experience, afterwards?! NO. Hey, even Robert Beltran learnt to direct productions (even if it was ‎for plays)

He likes to make fun of his former colleagues willingly, especially Mulgrew, Phillips or Picardo but, maybe if he had their experience and reputation, what he says could make an impression but alas, this is far from the case.
 
In "The Chute", in order to withstand the prolonged lack of food, they try to forget their hunger... by TALKING ABOUT FOOD!!!

Anybody who's been on a diet knows that you should think about food as little as possible. By thinking about sumptuous meals all you do is stimulate your digestive processes, IE salivates and increases the acidity of your stomach.

If it were a real-life situation Paris and Kim would have quickly realized that their method was a mistake, their own bodies would have made them realized that.
It's been well-documented that the prisoners in concentration camps during WWII talked frequently about food among themselves; describing their favorite meals, exchanging recipes, etc.

It's pretty much human nature to become obsessed with a basic human need one is deprived of.
 
Just a little comment about the case "Harry Kim", please let's stop to want to see this character a more important figure than he was. I mean; Harry Kim just came out fresh from the academy when he arrived on board. Yes he was valedictorian of his class, what gave him the opportunity to choose his assignment (the USS Voyager) and position (Operations Officer) but his shyness and the fact that he was easily impressionable, should instead have been ‎prejudicial for his progress (cf to Lt Reginald Barclay) but nope, after the Kazon attack, Janeway offered him a position where he almost self-manages himself and a seat in the senior crew meeting, what were already 2 great rewards, ‎which surely gave him wings as seeing as he gave orders to more ranking officers than him, while he was still a young blue Ensign. And instead of being satisfied with what he already had at a young age and with so little experience, he was annoyed for 7 years no to have been promoted Lieutenant! Maybe this guy was gifted but he seriously lacked a certain form of intelligence!

7 years is far to long as an Ensign. An officer spends an average of 2 years as an Ensign. Some ensigns may continue to 3 years to complete advanced training. While almost all ranks on-board a ship are promoted based on vacancies, but an Ensign rank is considered almost like a training period for young officers to become adjusted to officer life. If an officer spends more than say 4 years as an Ensign, they'll likely be Discharged.
Harry has some issues, but there is nothing that should have stopped him from receiving a promotion to Lt(jg) grade after 2 or 3 years. It is much more conceivable for literally any other rank (besides cadet) to sit at their rank for an extended time, especially for Voyagers situation.
However, as it's already been said, due to the inconsistencies in writing, it's hard to say what could have been going on. Voyager has more then a few issues when it comes to Operational procedures such as Officers ranks and positions.
 
I still don't get why Kim was never promoted. Tuvok was promoted and yet his position remained pretty much the same on the ship, Tom was promoted twice even though the first time he came from some kind of punishment center and the second time he had committed a serious crime (terrorism) and he even mocked Kim's willingness to do chair time on the bridge.
I mean Why? Why didn't they promote Kim?
 
Why was Kim treated so poorly as becoming the whipping boy of the senior staff? Why was Tom Paris given so much slack?
These are questions that are never answered, especially not by the biggest fans of the series.
It may have had something to do with the fact that Tom Paris was simply a better officer than Harry Kim, something Janeway must have noticed early on.
 
7 years is far to long as an Ensign. An officer spends an average of 2 years as an Ensign. Some ensigns may continue to 3 years to complete advanced training. While almost all ranks on-board a ship are promoted based on vacancies, but an Ensign rank is considered almost like a training period for young officers to become adjusted to officer life. If an officer spends more than say 4 years as an Ensign, they'll likely be Discharged.
Harry has some issues, but there is nothing that should have stopped him from receiving a promotion to Lt(jg) grade after 2 or 3 years. It is much more conceivable for literally any other rank (besides cadet) to sit at their rank for an extended time, especially for Voyagers situation.
However, as it's already been said, due to the inconsistencies in writing, it's hard to say what could have been going on. Voyager has more then a few issues when it comes to Operational procedures such as Officers ranks and positions.

If Harry Kim really wanted to be promoted, why not having passed an exam, even from a distance (as Icheb did it in S6), thanks to the official link between Voyager and Starfleet HQ which was established from S4?! Believe me, it's usually much more efficient and faster to be promoted by this way than waiting that the merit/prowesses ‎to be recognized by the ‎upper echelons, because it's well too hazardous (= this is a question of interpretation). While Janeway would consider that Harry's behavior was exemplary during the time of the journey and deserves a promotion, some admirals might disagree and if you look a little closer, they wouldn't be wrong. Indeed, Harry has a propensity to often follow his friend Tom Paris in bad shots, even if their actions were far from being dangerous but when you want to look for reasons not to promote an officer or an agent, this kind of incidents can matter. And then, there was the serious reprimand Harry got further to his barefaced and insolent attitude in "The DIsease" (without forgetting the numerous disobediences to direct orders given from the higher superior officer on board).
=> I remind you all that a similar disciplinary sanction cost to Worf a possible future command, in "Change of Heart", even if Sisko assured him understand why and how but at the end, the official reprimand was written in Worf's personal file not without consequence.

But as you wrote rightly, Levi, Janeway had more then a few issues to resolve than to worry about the ego of his young Operational officer! ;-)

As for "promotions" givien to Tom Paris, B'Elena Torres and Chakotay, not only their values were questionable ( th 3 were considered as criminals, having resigned for Torres/Chakotay and be fired for Paris, from Starfleet) but they were given with in mind that it was temporary, the time of the mission.
As for Tuvok, it seems to me - if I remember well - that in first season, he was already Lt Com, right?! The question which arises is why did he lost his 3rd pip afterwards... :-O. But fortuantely, he ‎recovered his initial rank in 4th episode of S4 and it was well deserved! ;-)
 
Why didn't they ever promote Ens.Kim?

Lots of other officers received promotions while on-duty, on board, by the captain. Several on Voyager! Wesley was given Acting Ensign and later promoted to full Ensign! Harry was a Bridge Officer, and clearly demonstrated knowledge in his area, more then other Lieutenants... So why couldn't Janeway just give poor little Harry a promotion?
Writers had their heads in their asses; too busy giving show hogs like 7 of 9, The Doctor, and Janeway waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much attention to be bothered with Harry Kim. I never felt Kim has grown as a character; he's same guy from the pilot. Janeway treated him like a son from start to finish and his stories were crumbs in comparison to the larger character stories.

Garrett Wang, I felt, dropped the ball whenever he had an opportunity to excel his character, something Roxann Dawson, Tim Russ, and Robert Beltran reached for the stars in spades when they had the chance.
 
If Harry Kim really wanted to be promoted, why not having passed an exam, even from a distance (as Icheb did it in S6), thanks to the official link between Voyager and Starfleet HQ which was established from S4?! Believe me, it's usually much more efficient and faster to be promoted by this way than waiting that the merit/prowesses ‎to be recognized by the ‎upper echelons, because it's well too hazardous (= this is a question of interpretation). While Janeway would consider that Harry's behavior was exemplary during the time of the journey and deserves a promotion, some admirals might disagree and if you look a little closer, they wouldn't be wrong. Indeed, Harry has a propensity to often follow his friend Tom Paris in bad shots, even if their actions were far from being dangerous but when you want to look for reasons not to promote an officer or an agent, this kind of incidents can matter. And then, there was the serious reprimand Harry got further to his barefaced and insolent attitude in "The DIsease" (without forgetting the numerous disobediences to direct orders given from the higher superior officer on board)..

These issues still should not prevent an Ensign being promoted to a Lieutenant rating. The issues of Harry you mention could hold him back from future promotions, but after 2 or 3 years, Harry should have been promoted for simple time in service. You are correct about what issues can cause a lack of promotion, however these would not affect an Ensigns promotion unless they were extremely bad, and then they probably would end up in the brig.
If Harry was not a competent enough of an Officer to receive his Lieutenant grade, given Voyagers situation, I suppose Janeway could opt to keep Harry working for the benefit of everyone. However, later we see Harry as a Captain, which means he was good enough to advance. An Officers time as an Ensign is designed to allow them to acclimate to officer life after cadet life, and to prove that they indeed know what they are doing in their respective duties and that training did not go in one ear and out the other type of thing. Personality considerations such as you site above are more issues that would prevent say a Lieutenant from becoming a Lieutenant Commander.
There are no exams needed to pass to be promoted from Ensign. Icheb was being treated as a Cadet, not an Ensign.

But unfortunately, due to the lack of writing continuity, this subject can be argued openly forever. There is always some loophole or something forgotten or missed or changed in the writing that makes subjects like this open to any one interpretation. That's just how I view it.
 
The same reason Picard was a Ltjg at 60 in Tapestry. In the other timeline he was basically Kim, somebody who kept his head down, never took any risks and never stood out. Starfleet rewards brazen behavior and 'Heart In Right Place' more than it does quietly working hard.

I suspect the production reason Kim was never promoted was because the writers weren't excited about Wang's performance.
 
The same reason Picard was a Ltjg at 60 in Tapestry. In the other timeline he was basically Kim, somebody who kept his head down, never took any risks and never stood out. Starfleet rewards brazen behavior and 'Heart In Right Place' more than it does quietly working hard.

I suspect the production reason Kim was never promoted was because the writers weren't excited about Wang's performance.
Or because the fact that Kim was simply planned as a minor character.
LaForge was never promoted by Picard and he did definitely more for the ship than Kim did.
 
Why didn't they use the knowledge acquired in Rascals to give people the possibility to live forever and young? Plus you can't even die by accident because if you use the transporter say once a day then if you die in an explosion and there's nothing left of your body; they can always reconstruct it from the last transporter record, you'll only have lost a few hours. People in a coma lose up to several days of memory...
 
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