^Pretty good Doppelgänger to fool Data into believing it to be a genuine Soong android.
Why didnt they just use Lore instead of B4?
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That's actually less convoluted than Trek XI.
Besides, wouldn't Lore's bits 'n pieces be at Starfleet?
I'm not saying that Lore would have the same role as B4 in the movie. Having the movie be about Romulans/whoever stealing Lore, reprogramming him, and then having him as the bad guy (dropping the shitty Picard clone angle) would've been pretty good.
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Well, according to the novel "Immortal Coil", Data had collected the inert android bodies of Lal, Lore, Juliana and the three previous prototypes and kept them all in his lab.
If they were going to use Lore as a villain, then he (and Data) would have had to be the primary focus of the movie - with Picard playing second fiddle.
Also, they probably would not have used Shinzon at all, as Picard's story wouldn't have been as important as Data's.
Also, they probably would not have used Shinzon at all, as Picard's story wouldn't have been as important as Data's.
I have to say that if they 'needed' to have a Data side-plot than Lore would have been a better choice. OT, I also feel the movie would have been stronger if Shinzon had aged more rapidly so that Patrick Stewart (excuse me, SIR Patrick Stewart) could have flexed his acting muscles and played both characters during the climax of the film. Imagine the poster for THAT movie! 
I agree with your OT.
The last Star Trek movie can be accused of many things, convoluted is not one of them. Its plot and character motivations are all rather straightforward.
I'm amazed at the number of follow-ups written by people who watched Juliana Tainer beam away to her destination "alive and well" as it were, and presume that by the time Generations happened, she had died.
Not canon, but the Juliana android is said to have "died" offscreen in "Immortal Coil", a novel by Jeff Lang, set mainly in 2374. The TNG portion of "Generations" was 2371.
Considering how bad Nemesis was, the addition of Lore would not have hurt. As stated previously, B4 was an underdevolped android child. It would have made more sense for Shinzon to have sent spies to retrieve Lore from wherever he was housed and reassemble him. he could have also stumbled upon Lore's remains during the Dominion war (another possiblity). Upon reassembly, they could have planned the Ent-E's destruction. Lore could have hidden a backup processor to house himself. He is evil after all. Cobra
By the way, where does it state that Lore's processor was destroyed. I remember when Data mentioned taking Lore offline and dismantling him. I don't remember him mentioning the processor's destruction. Such an act would an act of murder. Since Data had himself declared a centient being, wouldn't destroying Lore permanantly be murder? Cobra
No, Data would have considered it a justified execution for Lore's past crimes. A little quick out of the Judge and Jury gate, I admit, but not a surprising possibility regarding Data.
The problem with that rationale is that the Federation of the 24th century does not believe in capital punishment of their prisoners. At most, prisoners would spend life in a penal colony (except when Section 31 is involved). My problem is that I don't recall Data saying that he destroyed Lore's processor. Can anyone confirm that Data did destroy the primary processor? He did say that he was to be dismantled (a wise course of action) since he was too dangerous. Cobra
The TV audience is a fraction of the general public who attend a screening of a ST movie. Lore comes with heaps of backstory. Trying to explain that backstory would have definitely hurt the flow of the story.
As I said, the novel "Immortal Coil" stated that Lore's disassembled parts were kept in storage in Data's lab. Considering the danger Lore was - several times! - sending him to Earth or the Daystrom Institiute (where some idiot was bound to reassemble him) might have been unwise. Better to keep him on board where he can be a supply of spare parts whenever Data needed them.
Of course, the TV tie-in novel readership is a fraction of the general public who attend a screening of a ST movie, but Lore is a recurring guest character with too much baggage.
Not that I am a fan of bringing Lore into the film, but his backstory is no more bigger than Picard's history with the Borg or Kirk's past with Khan. Just one carefully placed cabbage-head character to explain things too and we're good.
"But Data, how did Lore's disassembled body parts get out of your lab and onto this planet on the rim of the Romulan Neutral Zone? Surely you didn't leave them on the Enterprise-D's saucer section when Troi crashed it?"
"Ah yes, my evil twin brother, Lore, who has unsuccessfully tried to take over the ship three times. Let's reassemble him - one more time!"
^ See? Easy! 
Seriously though, I don't think it would take much.
Henchman: We assembled the parts. It was hard getting it from that Starfleet warehouse.
Bad Guy: Yeah. Lets turn him on...er...so to speak.
Lore: I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Bad Guy: You want to go get those jerks Data,your brother, and Picard who screwed you over?
Lore: Lets go! What nefarious scheme have you cooked up?
Seriously though, I don't think it would take much.
Henchman: We assembled the parts. It was hard getting it from that Starfleet warehouse.
Bad Guy: Yeah. Lets turn him on...er...so to speak.
Lore: I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Bad Guy: You want to go get those jerks Data,your brother, and Picard who screwed you over?
Lore: Lets go! What nefarious scheme have you cooked up?
I think it would've added another layer to the story if it HAD been Lore. You know, let's say he's been lobotomized or something by the enemy. Data might have mixed feelings. On one hand, Lore was evil, on the other hand, it'd be kinda tough seeing someone so intelligent reduced to a vegetable. Maybe they could've put in a scene where Lore begged Data to kill him instead of living like that. I dunno. But it could have added some emotional punch to this movie.
Still, though, surely the away team on that planet in Nemesis must have been thinking 'Lore' when they dug up B-4. I would have been a lot more suspicious myself.
IIRC, the earlier version of the script had a line that said, "Not Lore?" ie. When the new prototype was called B-9 ("benign"), not B-4 ("before").
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