Why didn't Old Biff come back to an alternate 2015?

[Gaith]

And that's not even mentioning Marty's unexplained equestrian skills, or Doc's total nonchalance at leaving a supposed-to-be-dead attractive woman around to muck up the timeline. Both these could have been fixed with quick additional dialogue (Marty'd gone to an equestrian summer camp; Doc can't think of any alternative), but the absence of such care grates.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I find it unbelievable that you guys are supporting a known criminal who didn't even pay Doc for the service provided in the first place. Let's say Doc gave Tannen the money that Tannen didn't pay him in the first place...there could be an argument down the road somewhere else between the two of them. I was attempting to state that Tannen was looking for a fight with Doc and the scene was obviously constructed to set up Doc being shot. Even if Doc had settled THIS particular dispute with Tannen there is the very likely hood that something else would have happened.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When did old Biff fade out?

marty prime is a step above trailer trash. He plays in a band with old guys (That was the News pretending to be his band the Pin heads right?). NuMarty is probably a preppy and a yuppie who is smarter and more positive and more emotionally put together well than Marty prime because he wasn't brought up by POOR wallflowers.

It took a week for Marty to kill himself by cancelling his parents first kiss, and even then, because time had to be really really sure that every thing was gong to change, and as long as there was a fraction of a percent of a chance that the kiss would happen Marty Prime was allowed to survive even though many other events had conspired to create NuMarty who was a completely different person because of his completely different upbringing because he had completely different parents becuase they ad lived completely different lives.

So does that mean that old Biff was able to return to his home 2015 because time hadn't changed it's mind yet? Time waits for man?

I think it was NuMarty in the past who had made his own DIFFERENT changes to 1955 that was creating the potential for Marty Prime to exists without ever having being born and only if he gets things back on track is Marty Prime going to vanish and his birth and future history going to be assured if he too accidentally managed to play Havok with his own conception. NuMarties Timeline was staying intact for a proportionate amount of time to whatever bollocks was happening in the past in a holding pattern until it was sure which way it was supposed to unfold.

Really if anything it's marty prime who is going to va... I've been through this. Possibly I'm phrasing it a little better?

Jennifer met Jennifer and they didn't phase, Marty got pretty close to meeting himself and didn't phase, hell biff beat his younger self with a stick and they didn't phase into each other too.

There is no evidence of corporeal integration.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

marty prime is a step above trailer trash. He plays in a band with old guys (That was the News pretending to be his band the Pin heads right?).

No. Marty's band was the same age as he was, more or less. The only News member in that scene was Huey Lewis, and he wasn't in the band, he was one of the teachers ("I'm afraid you're just too darn loud").

 

[Guy Gardener]

Now that's funny.

Oh. and Biff's stepson Marty didn't integrate, that we know of since he was in Europe, with Marty Prime in back to the Future two in so that Marty Prime seemed to have garnered no pertinent information about the timeline from no unknown source.

Besides if we are saying that it all wasn't sort of predestination then that means that Emmet WAS killed by the Libyans in the first timeline we saw, and exactly how magnificently different would his friendship have been with the boy if he had had all those adventures with him already in 1985. Which really begs to ask? Why were they friends if he hadn't met Marty in the past? A 16 year old boy and some guy in his 70s?

Creepy?

 

[Aeon]

Creepy? Not really. Sometimes these things happen and suddenly you notice that you have a new friend... who might be a little crazy and a little bit older than you, yeah, but still fun to hang around with. I would have loved to have a crazy scientist as a friend in my youth and I could certainly use a time machine.

 

[Gaith]

Why were they friends if he hadn't met Marty in the past? A 16 year old boy and some guy in his 70s?

I always assumed that Marty met Doc doing oddjobs for him the previous summer, mowing his lawn or making errands to the hardware store, and that once he saw the nifty gadgets in Doc's lab, not to mention the dog, they gradually became friends to the point where they kept in contact once school started back up and Marty stopped working for him.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'd not be surprised if Marty came across Doc similar to how Gaith suggests and the Doc asked him to look after Einstein occasionally and look after the house while he was out conducting experiments and such. They seemed like they had been close friends for sometime.

 

[Jetfire]

I always wondered about how Marty knew Doc...I know principle Strickland wasn't to keen on Doc Brown.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The oddjobman theory is sound but here's a twist... Are we completely sure that marty was still on the clock working as a manservant butler dogwalker gardener (I was actually thinking it may have been around the othe way that The Professor was hired to tutor problem students by the school, and they continued hanging out after the program finished.) and for most every hour we saw him during the course of that movie Doc brown was paying him $4.50 an hour.

If a friend told me to turn up tot he mall at 2 in the morining with a video camera my reply might just be impolite.

 

[Snaploud]

If a friend told me to turn up tot he mall at 2 in the morining with a video camera my reply might just be impolite.

That's certainly an indication that Marty was paid significantly more than minimum wage. We know Doc isn't very good with money, so it's not inconceivable that Marty was being paid a very high wage.

 

[Jetfire]

The films do not depict how Doc originally met Marty, however production notes and word from creators Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale have stated that they met several years prior to the events of the first film when Doc went door to door in the neighborhood looking for students interested in being his part-time lab assistant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Brown

Can this be confirmed?

 

[Snaploud]

The films do not depict how Doc originally met Marty, however production notes and word from creators Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale have stated that they met several years prior to the events of the first film when Doc went door to door in the neighborhood looking for students interested in being his part-time lab assistant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Brown

Can this be confirmed?

I've never heard of a scientist going door-to-door looking for underage part-time lab assistants.

 

[Jetfire]

I know...it doesn't make sense...something more believable would be that Doc was a teacher at the school and something happened(lab accident) and lost his job...why Strickland wouldn't care for him and Marty & Jennifer know Doc because they were former students and maybe Marty worked closely with Doc after school on various projects.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Remember Bill in the beginning of Ghostbusters and he paid those two kids to be electrocuted? Well he paid one of them to be electrocuted and he paid the other to be unwittingly seduced. Oh,the Venkman charm, it's something beautiful and horrifying to behold.

Emmet hit his head really hard on his toilet. He would have no idea that he sounded like a pedo as the gittering old man stalked door to door asking for young boys to take home with him.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I wouldn't mind seeing an animated short called "Back to the Future Origins" (just for an example) depicting Marty's first meeting with Doc. Or maybe Bob Gale could do a mini-series for Boom Studios comic wise.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, a prequel to Back to the Future!

 

[Admiral_Young]

Actually I'd call it "Before the Future"

 

[Snaploud]

Yeah, a prequel to Back to the Future!

Would it deal with the inevitable lawsuits/restraining orders from concerned parents?

 

[Trekker4747]

I've never heard of a scientist going door-to-door looking for underage part-time lab assistants.

Sounds like a good way to end up on a Neighborhood Watch list.

When did old Biff fade out?

It's in a deleted scene. After Biff retruns to 2015 he stumbles out of the car, brakes the cane and takes shelter behind a dumpster. This is where the movie ends our encounter with Biff in the future. In the deleted scene it goes on a bit longer and we see Biff collapse on the ground and fade out of existence.

A 16 year old boy and some guy in his 70s?

During the 1985 portion of the movies Doc is more likely in his 50s or 60s.

I find it unbelievable that you guys are supporting a known criminal who didn't even pay Doc for the service provided in the first place. Let's say Doc gave Tannen the money that Tannen didn't pay him in the first place...there could be an argument down the road somewhere else between the two of them.

Not what we're saying at all. Well, not really.

What we are saying is that once Doc knows what is going on, why Marty is there and learns of the repairs the DeLorean needs he should've paid Bufford off to buy them more time. There's be no "argument down the road" because Doc would've afterwards either been careful or the two could've simply left town and headed for a city where they may be more resources to produce or get a hold of gasoline (which was around in 1885.) He should've paid Bufford to get rid of the element of danger.

Also, I never understood why Doc was so dismissive over Marty's suggestion that they bring Clara with them to 1985. Since she's supposed to be dead then bringing her along is the right thing to do; leaving her behind poses more danger of damage to the timeline since she's not supposed to be there.