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Why didn't Old Biff come back to an alternate 2015?

I think it was probably an emotional reaction to the question...perhaps mixed in with the notion that she might have trouble adjusting to the future, but then the latter theory gets tossed out since she eventually buys Doc's story about time travel. I like it an emotional thing...remember Doc's judgment has been clouded almost the entire movie since the moment he meets Clara.
 
Also, I never understood why Doc was so dismissive over Marty's suggestion that they bring Clara with them to 1985. Since she's supposed to be dead then bringing her along is the right thing to do; leaving her behind poses more danger of damage to the timeline since she's not supposed to be there.

Yeah, that part made no sense (unless you assume Doc's fear of commitment is over-riding logic).
 
:lol: I know...it doesn't make sense...something more believable would be that Doc was a teacher at the school and something happened(lab accident) and lost his job...why Strickland wouldn't care for him and Marty & Jennifer know Doc because they were former students and maybe Marty worked closely with Doc after school on various projects.
Ooh, good one! :bolian:
 
[(Also, who wants to bet that George Lucas would have had some vital second thoughts about a certain Gungan had he actually done any test audiences for Star Wars: The Phantom Menace?)

Probably not the best defense for your point.

I'm sure they can be helpful but I can't help but cringe at some of the awful decisions I've heard over the years to placate test audiences.

Like what?
 
^perhaps it took time for the new memories to set in, and, wasn't the Brown mansion saved from burning down in BTTFF1?

The Brown mansion never burned down. He sold it to developers to procure funds to build the DeLorean.

No, there was a fire. (We see a newspaper of it in the establishing shots at the beginning of the first movie.) It, presumably, burned down during one of Doc's experiments. He then sold the surviving structure and property to developers to build the DeLorean. LINK (Note in the "destroyed" picture the firefighters and smoldering wreckage.)

It's interesting Doc was "allowed" to live out of his garage sitting in a commercial area and, apparently, was built in a Burger King parking lot.
 
Slightly OT I'm curious what BTTF II would have been had Crispin Glover not been demanding too much. Apparentally, instead of a 1955 redux, Marty would travel back to the 60s where George and Lorraine were hippies or something. Not sure if the rest of the movie was the same, but Glover being canned forced them to reuse footage from the original for George, or another actor upside-down/filmed from far away/wearing sunglasses.
 
Er, no. I think we have to assume that the flux capacitor generates a temporal impermeability field.

That would seem to be the x-factor; it's almost like building up a static charge on something. One trip through time isn't enough to make something impermeable (hence why Marty started to disappear in 1955 and old Biff started to disappear after his two trips); but the more trips one takes through time, the more impermeable to change he or she becomes.

By the time of the events in 2015, Doc and Marty had traveled through time more than Old Biff had, so the changes were not be affecting them as quickly. That's why Old Biff would disappear, but Doc Brown and Marty would not even notice changes yet.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing an animated short called "Back to the Future Origins" (just for an example) depicting Marty's first meeting with Doc. Or maybe Bob Gale could do a mini-series for Boom Studios comic wise.

I think I read somewhere that Doc showed up at Marty's class for a presentation and they struck a friendship(about what who knows)
 
Slightly OT I'm curious what BTTF II would have been had Crispin Glover not been demanding too much. Apparentally, instead of a 1955 redux, Marty would travel back to the 60s where George and Lorraine were hippies or something. Not sure if the rest of the movie was the same, but Glover being canned forced them to reuse footage from the original for George, or another actor upside-down/filmed from far away/wearing sunglasses.

I think the movie works better with them going back to 1955, it's just neat seeing the events of the first movie from a different perspective.
 
If someone has already mentioned this, I apologize (I skimmed the thread, but didn't read every post). Anyway, in the first movie, the clock on the courthouse didn't have a second hand. How did they know to the second when the lightning would strike. Couldn't they have been off my as much as 59 seconds?
 
the cable is like a funnel.

the lightning strike may have been quick, but shoving it all into a cable slowed the bastard right down.
 
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If someone has already mentioned this, I apologize (I skimmed the thread, but didn't read every post). Anyway, in the first movie, the clock on the courthouse didn't have a second hand. How did they know to the second when the lightning would strike. Couldn't they have been off my as much as 59 seconds?

The clock may not have a second hand but something in it is keeping track of the seconds so it knows when to advance the minute hand. So there's gears for the "second hand" that doesn't advance the minute had except once a minute. It's possible that after the "original" lightning strike someone checked the gears and suck of the clock and discovered that the clock was struck at precisely 10:04 PM by the clock's gears. Infact, Doc even points out after being shown the flier that the the lightning bolt will strike at "precisely" 10:04 so this information may have even been on the flier.

Doc's going up and checking the gearing of the clock, how it works and such could've given him the information he needed to time this all out to know when "precisely" 10:04:00 was on the Clock Tower.

(Also, note that on the flier it shows a picture of the Clock Tower with the broken ledge. The ledge was only broken after the Marty-present version of 1955 and not the "original" 1955.)

the lightning strike may have been quick, but shoving it all into a cable slowed the bastard rigth down.

The cable did seem to have a lot of resistance in it considering the time it took for it to travel from the tower to the poles. (Which in the real world would've pretty much happened instantly.) So the cable had the resistance in it to "slow down" the lightning (by orders of magnitude) and it's possible the however the DeLorean's circuitry works it may have been able to "store" the 1.21 gigawatts and released it when the car needed it.

Also, one wonders why Doc didn't hook things up the otherway around? Why not have the DeLorean accelerate away from the cable into the open road (so Marty wouldn't crash into the theater when arriving in 1985) with a long cable strung between the Clock Tower and the car?

The DeLorean's 0-60 time is somewhere around 10 seconds, so let's be fair and give Marty a full 30 seconds to accelerate the car from standing still at 10:03:30 PM and get to 88 miles an hour an maintain that speed until 10:04:00. They would need about a 4000-foot long cable to do this. A long cable for sure but not un-doable.

(Though, I suppose, there'd be "some" energy loss over the the length but over a mile I sort-of doubt it. But lightning, IIRC, has terrawatts of energy so any energy loss should've been nothing to worry about.)

I also wonder if a lightning bolt would've "really worked." The lightning bolt, we're, told has the wattage they needed but was it really enough power? The right amps, OHMs, whatever? Seems to me this should've been like trying to power a Discman that runs off of a couple AA batteries (3 volts) with a wall socket (110 volts.) I don't think it'd translate very well. (But, again, this may be due to some ignorance on part on the technical aspects of electricity.)
 
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^ One of the newspaper clippings in Doc's house in 1985 mentioned the mansion burning down.

^perhaps it took time for the new memories to set in, and, wasn't the Brown mansion saved from burning down in BTTFF1?

The Brown mansion never burned down. He sold it to developers to procure funds to build the DeLorean.

No, there was a fire. (We see a newspaper of it in the establishing shots at the beginning of the first movie.) It, presumably, burned down during one of Doc's experiments. He then sold the surviving structure and property to developers to build the DeLorean. LINK (Note in the "destroyed" picture the firefighters and smoldering wreckage.)

After posting that, I decided to go back and rewatch the films. (So far, Part I is the only one that's gotten the thorough treatment.) I can't believe that I've been missing that for 20 years. Granted, I've seen the photo before, but it's really difficult to make out what it is and I've never look super close. Up until now, I've always assumed that it was a photo of the mansion being torn down by construction crews, not the smoldering wreckage of it having burned down. I've learned something this week. Amazing! Absolutely amazing!

As for Sephiroth's original question, there's no indication that the Brown mansion survived in later timelines. However, there's no evidence that it didn't either. The only times we see any of Doc's dwellings in the sequels are the garage lab in Biff's alternate 1985 in Part II and the mansion & garage still totally intact (and why wouldn't they be?) in the 1955 sequences of Part III.

As for the Marty-Prime/NuMarty conundrum, I have 2 different theories, one being much more convoluted & fan-ish than the other.

#1.) NuMarty never really existed except as a theoretical construct remembered in the altered memories of everyone left in the alternate 1985. When Marty-Prime arrived back in 1985, the changes to the timeline hadn't yet solidified. Some changes had begun to manifest, such as the missing ledge on the clocktower or the Twin Pines Mall becoming the Lone Pine Mall. However, the majority of the changes hadn't yet taken hold and wouldn't until after the earlier Marty had successfully gone back in time. You see, because Marty returned before he left, there was still the outside chance that he might cause further interference to the timeline by somehow preventing his own departure. If that happened, then none of the larger changes to the timeline would have ever occurred in the first place. At that point, the universe was still hedging its bets as to exactly which timeline would ultimately prevail. (Under this theory, it's entirely possible that Doc was dead for a time after being shot but before Marty travelled back in time. Once the 1st Delorean departed, time made the appropriate permanent changes to add Doc's bulletproof vest and make him not dead.)

#2.) NuMarty did replace Marty-Prime. However, during NuMarty's time in 1955, one of his changes somehow jostled Mr. Parker's testicles just enough so that Jennifer ended up looking like Elizabeth Shue instead of Claudia Wells. When NuMarty returned to 1985 to witness Marty3's departure, he also found himself startled by a bizarro universe where Jennifer looks totally different. Then Marty3 travels back in time, lands right on top of NuMarty, replaces him, makes the same changes, and is this time not alarmed when Jennifer looks like Elizabeth Shue. Thus, it's actually Marty3's adventures that we're following in Parts II & III.
 
#2.) NuMarty did replace Marty-Prime. However, during NuMarty's time in 1955, one of his changes somehow jostled Mr. Parker's testicles just enough so that Jennifer ended up looking like Elizabeth Shue instead of Claudia Wells. When NuMarty returned to 1985 to witness Marty3's departure, he also found himself startled by a bizarro universe where Jennifer looks totally different. Then Marty3 travels back in time, lands right on top of NuMarty, replaces him, makes the same changes, and is this time not alarmed when Jennifer looks like Elizabeth Shue. Thus, it's actually Marty3's adventures that we're following in Parts II & III.
My (possibly NSFW) reaction:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNW.../NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg

:p
 
#2.) NuMarty did replace Marty-Prime. However, during NuMarty's time in 1955, one of his changes somehow jostled Mr. Parker's testicles just enough so that Jennifer ended up looking like Elizabeth Shue instead of Claudia Wells. When NuMarty returned to 1985 to witness Marty3's departure, he also found himself startled by a bizarro universe where Jennifer looks totally different. Then Marty3 travels back in time, lands right on top of NuMarty, replaces him, makes the same changes, and is this time not alarmed when Jennifer looks like Elizabeth Shue. Thus, it's actually Marty3's adventures that we're following in Parts II & III.

Okay, now give a movie explanation for why Marty's dad looks different in various scenes in Part II

;)
 
The clock may not have a second hand but something in it is keeping track of the seconds so it knows when to advance the minute hand. So there's gears for the "second hand" that doesn't advance the minute had except once a minute. It's possible that after the "original" lightning strike someone checked the gears and suck of the clock and discovered that the clock was struck at precisely 10:04 PM by the clock's gears.

Man...that part is the single worst part of the BTTF movies. Just like with the universal translators in Star Trek...it's best to ignore it and pretend it makes sense without actually thinking about it.

Explaining it makes it worse. Seriously, your whole post makes me sad because just trying to make it better makes it much, much worse.

It's ridiculous and I'd much rather not think about that.


Okay, now give a movie explanation for why Marty's dad looks different in various scenes in Part II

;)

He took a hockey puck in the face in 1996.
 
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