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Why didn't Janeway give the Kazon Replicator technology?

Guy Gardener

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She obviously didn't give a poop about the Prime Directive when se gave holotech to the Hirogen, recycling tech to the Malon, fixed the atmosphere for those dirtbags who killed Joe Carey(with or without offering an alternative to the tech they had which will destroy the planet again soon in short order since they're still a savage child race), gave away "everything" to those other buggers stuck in the void, taught those psycho Robots from prototype and if we believe Flesh and Blood SOLD Replicator technology to dozens if not hundreds of races during their long voyage home just keep in the black and make sure both ends met.

So why in the beginning, not the Kazon?

They hunted Voyager for two years killing many crewmen along the way to steal what they could have bought in exchange for "safe passage" and maybe a few baubles at any point like they would do many many times over later on in the journey, if Janeway's principles were exactly the same at one end of the mission as the other?
 
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She wasn't willing to disobey the prime directive. A few years later she started to be more lenient.
 
They were a species of violent marauders who enslaved and decimated everyone they could. Giving them Replicator tech would just make them more dangerous, and they'd probably say "Those phasers of yours are pretty cool. We'd like them too!"

The Hirogen at least weren't going around conquering others, and holodeck tech is pretty harmless as a weapon.
 
I think Janeway's principles changed over the course of the show. If Janeway from S7 had been the Janeway from the 1st season, she would have:

A. Tried to use the Caretaker array to send her crew home before destroying it- even making a deal with the Kazon in order to do so.
B.Told the Sikarians to go to hell and grabbed their folding space technology for herself.
C. Beamed through the mini-wormhole, punched that Romulan out, gone back to Earth and told her teenage self not to pursue the Maquis.
 
Ocampa was a shop. A cormaline mine and a cormaline shop. The Kazon traded with everyone in the quadrant fairly, or they would have been out of business. In Dreadnought it seemed that the kazon were esteemed enough to blacklist Janeway and her Motley Crew with many species across the Delta Quadrant.

PARIS: Why would anyone want to live in a place like this?
NEELIX: The rich cormaline deposits are very much in demand.
CHAKOTAY: The Ocampa use it for barter?
NEELIX: Not the Ocampa, the Kazon-Ogla.
JANEWAY: The Kazon-Ogla? Who are the Kazon-Ogla?
NEELIX: They are. Kazon sects control this part of the quadrant. Some have food, some have ore, some have water. They all trade and they all kill each other for it.
JANEWAY: I thought you said the Ocampa had our people.
NEELIX: My friends, it's good to see you again!
Just because they're in a constant state of civil war on 18 fronts, it doesn't mean that they're bastards to other civilized and powerful cultures neighbouring them who would smash the kazon if these cabbage headed space bums even looked funny at them.

Kes was a vagrant child who crawled out form under the ground and said "Feed me, cloth me, look after me or take me to some one who will." Their choices were to give her a job, tell her to push off and then watch her lope off to starve to death in the desert, or take her as property. There's very little difference between indentured servitude and slavery especially when her only other option was "starving to death" if she didn't want to live by their rules.

Voyager, all alone wasn't much further up the food chain than Kes, and Janeway started it.
 
They were a species of violent marauders who enslaved and decimated everyone they could. Giving them Replicator tech would just make them more dangerous, and they'd probably say "Those phasers of yours are pretty cool. We'd like them too!"

The Hirogen at least weren't going around conquering others, and holodeck tech is pretty harmless as a weapon.

In order for the Kazon to be dangerous, they'd need brains first.
 
The Hirogen invented a slave race they tortured to death routinely for kicks.

Imagine if Janeway had given them cloning technology instead?
 
I don't think anti-matter tech is a Prime directive violation, since the over all development of Malon technology is well in advance of first contact status. Also isn't any economic activity capable altering a society in important ways? The Federation was willing to pay for the development of Kreeger waves after all, the precedient of exchanging something for something else with other cultures clearly is established.

I don't see how neutralizing anti-matter waste is different than dumping it in the middle of nowhere. The Malon home planet culture would have remained unchanged especially if the secret of recycling was treated as the equilavent of intellectual property with patent protections.

The idea that the Prime directive was preventing the Malon from killing themselves is rediculous. Did they overflow availble blackholes with waste? The premise of the alledged problem is not even plausible.
 
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She wasn't willing to disobey the prime directive. A few years later she started to be more lenient.

This, and also probably a case of selective trading. It was obvious the Kazon were going to use the replicators to gain power in the area. We didn't actually see any instances of Voyager just handing out replicators (that I can recall, at least). Maybe the one-off mention of it, but nothing that proves anything as bad as giving replicators to the Kazon.

In other cases mentioned, such as fixing the atmosphere, and giving the Hirogen replicator technology, Janeway did it out of good intentions, even though it broke the PD. Janeway gave the Hirogen holodeck technology to stop them hunting real people (although they could have used the holodecks as training to kill real people anyway). But you couldn't even give the Kazon the benefit of the doubt.
 
I'm always amazed when I get into these conversations that people are not just unaware of the possibility that the Prime Directive applies to post warp cultures, but that's it's more than likely actually how it works depending on the forwarded arguments representing the truth.

JANEWAY: The one that’s made of binding principles. We have our own set of rules, which includes the Prime Directive. How many times have we been in the position of refusing to interfere when some kind of disaster threatened an alien culture. It’s all very well to say we do it on the basis of an enlightened principle, but how does that feel to the aliens? I’m sure many of them think the Prime Directive is a lousy idea.
Kathy is not a fan.

TORRES: Some day could be too late. There are only a few hundred of them left.
JANEWAY: I feel for the robot's plight, but what you are proposing is exactly the kind of tampering the Prime Directive prohibits. We know almost nothing about these creatures or the race that built them. What would be the consequences of increasing their population, both to their own civilisation and others in this quadrant. Who are we to swoop in, play God and then continue on our way without the slightest consideration of the long term effects of our actions.
TORRES: Captain!
JANEWAY: B'Elanna, I share your scientific curiosity and I admire your compassion, but the answer is no.
Kathy met Post Warp robots in possession of superior technology enough to kick her ass and the prime Directive still applied to them because their technology is only a benchmark for their development not a finish line.

SISKO: I've agreed to release him.
O'BRIEN: But sir, Tosk is an intelligent, living being.
SISKO: It's their custom, Chief. Under the prime directive, we have no right to interfere.
KIRA: What if Tosk were to request asylum?
SISKO: If he asks for it.
Sisko allowed space bastards to hunt a sentient being because it was a symbiotic relationship enjoyed by both sides of the hunt even though the hunted was probably going to be turned into boots and pants after they finally tree him.

YEDIQ: All eight are murderers. Three are multiple offenders. We're just thirteen light years from our system. I'd appreciate it if you'd take us back there.
JANEWAY: Actually, we were headed in the opposite direction.
YEDIQ: I could arrange for one of our ships to rendezvous with Voyager. It'll take several days. My prisoners will have to be strictly monitored.
JANEWAY: Commander Tuvok will help you make arrangements. (Tuvok and Yediq leave)
CHAKOTAY: Some of the crew may not be comfortable helping to deliver eight men to their deaths.
JANEWAY: I can't say I like it either but, we have a Prime Directive to follow.
Capital punishment is murder. Janeway made her entire crew complicit as co-murderers by feeding these prisoners into a murder machine. She had to stomach doing distasteful things while "helping" out some Postwarp aliens in trouble even though she violently disagreed with their beliefs, unless it's a black guy tied to a chair

CRUSHER: She has been conditioned since the day she was born to believe it's perfectly acceptable to exist only to please men.
PICARD: She was born to do this.
CRUSHER: And bred by those people to seal a treaty with a seductive coup de grace.
PICARD: All right, fine, good, let's throw the Prime Directive to the winds. Let's detain her against her will. Let's destroy any chance of peace between these worlds. Let's interfere in their society, their customs.
Jean Grey and Professor Xavier. How cool is that? But again the Federation was playing delivery boy for a post warp culture where the Prime Directive still applied as a reason to not interfere with that culture's social development even as a political relationship continued between the Federation and these/some specific empires.

PARIS: He's directing us to a system two point three light years from here.
JANEWAY: Is that your home?
BOMB/EMH [on viewscreen]: It's my target. The course I've plotted bypasses enemy minefields. Don't deviate from it. Your ship won't be harmed. Once we've reached the system you'll transport me to my target.
JANEWAY: We won't help you wage war. This crew has a Prime Directive that forbids us to interfere in the affairs of other species.
BOMB/EMH [on viewscreen]: You've already interfered.
JANEWAY: We were trying to help you.
BOMB/EMH [on viewscreen]: Until you discovered my true nature, then you tried to deactivate me.
Advanced warp capable AI that took over Voyager and leveraged the captain into acting naughty. Post Warp Culture, Prime directive. I'm seeing a trend.

ANEWAY: I'm still counting on getting this ship home.
KASHYK: Are you sure you'll be welcome when you do? I came across something else in your database. The Prime Directive.
JANEWAY: The Federation's cardinal protocol.
KASHYK: It seems you violated it when you rescued these telepaths.
JANEWAY: Well, let's just say I usually go with my instincts and sort it out later at the Board of Inquiry. Those Admirals and I were on a first name basis, you know. You're risking a lot, too. Why?
This is a big one.

What's the difference between a political prisoner and a terrorist? And if these terrorists/political Prisoners are being held by a nation/culture of complete bastards or saints? What's the difference between Auschwitz and Guantanamo Bay (wasn't that place closed down?). Janeway can't pick and chose. What ever the local power says is wrote is wrote. She broke the law of a sovereign post warp culture by helping criminals be criminal just like how the rail road used to take slaves up north back when the South had it's own opposing thoughts about the matter. She's not allowed to break the laws of even Space Nazis because that puts the entire Federation on their shit-list. If there's one shit-list you want to stay off, it's the Space Nazi's shit-list.

Also it seemed that Janeway believes that the old school tie and greasy gladhanding puts her above the law, that no court in the federation is unbiased nor fair enough to do much but give her a medal no matter how heinous and criminal her behaviour.

SISKO: They don't even know the Cardassians are involved.
CHEKOTE [on monitor]: Then you're saying it's a genuine political revolution internal to Bajor.
SISKO: Supported by the Cardassians.
CHEKOTE [on monitor]: But internal to Bajor. The Cardassians might involve themselves in other people's civil wars, but we don't. The Prime Directive applies, Ben.
SISKO: Admiral.
If the Prime Directive applies to Bajor, then it bloody well applies to everyone.
 
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^ That's a good point.

The Prime Directive was always pretty nebulous. At times, it's a hedge against cultural and technological "contamination," while at others it's a way to maintain the current balance of power in whatever section of space they happen to be in. It seems it can mean anything the writers want it to.
 
When the Kazon DID use replicator technology, they managed to kill themselves. Why would you give these guys something that they obviously didn't know how to use in the first place? I mean, sure, you could send an instruction manual, but do the Kazon strike you as the kind who read those?
 
Kes was a vagrant child who crawled out form under the ground
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When the Kazon DID use replicator technology, they managed to kill themselves. Why would you give these guys something that they obviously didn't know how to use in the first place? I mean, sure, you could send an instruction manual, but do the Kazon strike you as the kind who read those?
This.
The only reason the writers had Janeway give the Hirogen technoloy was to prove this point to the casual audience that kept asking: "Why not just give them what they want and warp out."
 
Replicators can make weapons and dangerous materials if programmed correctly. That would give the Kazon a military advantage.
 
Exactly, it's like giving a bunch of 13 year-olds the controls to a nuclear arsenal.
 
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