Why did YOH Janeway turn off her Temporal Shields?

[Guy Gardener]

It's tantamount to suicide.

And Kathy didn't just kill herself, but the fleet "she was leading" into battle who thought that she was on top of all this time travel doublespeak.

She killed all them.

Kinda rude?

 

[Violet.Phoenix]

Not really rude considering that she hit the huge reset button and saved them all from that suffering and timey-wimey shit they went through thanks to Annorax. Sure, she was leading them into battle, but she came up with a way to prevent all of it from happening.

I think it would have been more rude for her to not reset things if she knew. But then of course, if she hadn't known, well that's another can of worms in itself.

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

She was reviving all the victims of Krenim battles and imperial brutalization, all the civilizations they erased from existence, Tuvok's eyes, and all that. That year was a timeline nobody preferred over the previous one (except perhaps Annorax).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ramming speed is the sort of poop Kathryn insisted was too uncertain in Caretaker, which is why she was marooned in the first place. She couldn't just assume victory form the other side of the galaxy or Hell. Despite her best efforts,ramming Annorax's weapon his ship might have, or there might have been temporally shield lifepods, that inthe next universe Annorax could have just started things from the beginning all over again.

So Violet.phoenix, if you had a bad week, you wouldn't mind being murdered and replaced by a doppleganger from an alternate timeline if they could be steered away from that bad week? Sure it's been a bad week, bit when you go to heaven, how many Temporal dopplengers of you are you willing to share it with?

Deepspacewine? Resetting the timeline would have led to a %100 restoration to the Jrenim Empire. To hold all those worlds, and be in charge, they would have been bastards to a degree, but then they would be held in check by their own laws and fair conduct to their slave worlds and allies.

 

[Lipton]

Annorax was a mental case. Janeway had to make sure his reality bending ship couldn't do any more damage.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And she didn't.

After Voyager rammed Ajnnorax's weapon and Kathryn went to hell, if the rest of the fleet persevered into the next universe, they would have been free to look around and make sure that Annorax or any of his cronies hadn't made it through as well.

Or did Janeway not trust them?

 

[Lipton]

Did the other ships in twelve years have temporal shields? if they did, I assume they could track down Annorax.

Then she would have assured that it didn't do any more damage. The time ship was blown up, and Annorax could be tracked down.

If the other ships didn't have temporal shielding, there isn't a single thing anybody could have done about Annorax rebuilding his timeship anyway, so Janeway wouldn't be to blame.

I assume Janeway had to turn her temporal shields off because the crew of the Voyager wouldn't have been brought back, the ship would have been in ruins, and most of the crew would have been dead.

 

[Guy Gardener]

TUVOK [OC]: All our ships have been disabled, Captain. Do you have weapons?
JANEWAY: Negative. Torpedo launchers are down. I'm setting a collision course. Janeway to the Fleet. Take your temporal shields offline.
TUVOK [OC]: Captain, we won't be protected.
JANEWAY: Exactly. If that ship is destroyed all of history might be restored. And this is one year I'd like to forget. Time's up.

No one had Temporal Shields until Janeway gave them to them.

A Prime Directive issue?

Remember when lesbian vampire Willow showed up in regular Sunnydale from an mirror timeline?

Do you think that she was thrilled that her alternate still drove a stick?

 

[Lipton]

Actually, it looks like Paramount wanted everything to be reset... to have the shields turned off.

One of the writers wanted Voyager to be damaged, but it looks like Paramount wouldn't go for it.

"We had at least half a dozen different endings, and reshot endings," Joe Menosky recalled. "Brannon wanted to keep the ship wrecked for the entire season, and he didn't want to end with a reset. The studio [namely, Paramount Pictures] didn't want to do that. [Executive producer] Rick Berman didn't want to do that. So we didn't do that. I wanted at least a couple of people to know what had happened. We actually wrote this ending even though we didn't shoot it, where time is reset, the weapon is gone; we know what has happened to us through some complication I can't even remember. When we meet up with the next Krenim, Chakotay asks offhand, 'Have you got a colony called Kyana Prime?' And the guy says, 'Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.' The idea was that time had in fact in some ways punished Annorax. Everything was reset except that. That was denied him, so it was this great, final, tragic moment. That was written and never shot because Rick said it was too complicated, and he was right. I can't even remember the tortured reasoning we had so that some of us could remember. Rick said, 'Just plow Voyager into the weapon ship, and reset the timeline, and nobody remembers.' That was the simplest solution." At the time, however, Menosky regretted the ending that was chosen. "I wasn't completely satisfied with it," he remembered.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"The people making the show, made the show" doesn't really tackle the questions about what was going on in the characters heart and soul to explain their unholy actions.

Every time Kathryn avoided being replaced by a temporal doppleganger, those mirror versions of herself and crew were stillborn. The act of surviving by any means possible (Ransom!) made Kathryn a mass murder just because she didn't let Annorax murder her.

 

[Lipton]

Personally, about the character, I think the EMH was right. Janeway was suffering from traumatic stress syndrome. She went cuckoo.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Even blind, Tuvok could could put her down if he thought that was more unstable than usual, if he didn't love her like a father loves a daughter.

 

[Lipton]

Maybe he would have liked to when he heard about her turning the shields off and ramming the ship... but he couldn't because that decision was made at the last minute. He was not on the bridge.

Anyway, the end of the episode was hurried writing. Sometimes you just can't work out what a character was feeling or thinking because the writing is just not worked out well.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But all he, or any of them had to do was "ignore her" when she said "Turn off your shields" and some of that fleet "might have" anyways and they're messing about in anew universe wondering how they can profit from this turn of events.

 

[Lipton]

Who knows? It could be they did. I never thought that ending made much sense anyway.

When everybody was supposed to turn off their temporal shields so they could reset, I thought to myself, "What is she thinking? Won't that just cause some kind of temporal loop? She'll blow up the weapon ship and then there won't be one, and the timeline will be reset, which means Annorax will make his weapon ship, and she'll blow it up, and so on."

In fact, one of the allied fleet must have kept their temporal shields on anyway and messed up the reset a little bit, since there wasn't a big loop.

The takeaway from this is: Bad writing! Bad writing!

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Guardians of Time"

The origin of the 29th century time cops?

 

[Lipton]

Perhaps so

 

[Guy Gardener]

And like most uncontrollable freakish monsters they eventually turn on and try to eat their creator.

 

[USS KG5]

She was reviving all the victims of Krenim battles and imperial brutalization, all the civilizations they erased from existence, Tuvok's eyes, and all that. That year was a timeline nobody preferred over the previous one (except perhaps Annorax).

He wouldn't either seeing him blowing up got him his wife back.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Actually, it looks like Paramount wanted everything to be reset... to have the shields turned off.

One of the writers wanted Voyager to be damaged, but it looks like Paramount wouldn't go for it.

"We had at least half a dozen different endings, and reshot endings," Joe Menosky recalled. "Brannon wanted to keep the ship wrecked for the entire season, and he didn't want to end with a reset. The studio [namely, Paramount Pictures] didn't want to do that. [Executive producer] Rick Berman didn't want to do that. So we didn't do that. I wanted at least a couple of people to know what had happened. We actually wrote this ending even though we didn't shoot it, where time is reset, the weapon is gone; we know what has happened to us through some complication I can't even remember. When we meet up with the next Krenim, Chakotay asks offhand, 'Have you got a colony called Kyana Prime?' And the guy says, 'Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.' The idea was that time had in fact in some ways punished Annorax. Everything was reset except that. That was denied him, so it was this great, final, tragic moment. That was written and never shot because Rick said it was too complicated, and he was right. I can't even remember the tortured reasoning we had so that some of us could remember. Rick said, 'Just plow Voyager into the weapon ship, and reset the timeline, and nobody remembers.' That was the simplest solution." At the time, however, Menosky regretted the ending that was chosen. "I wasn't completely satisfied with it," he remembered.

It was the simplist ending, but in "reality" it didn't take into account the rescue pods slowly making their way towards the AQ with their shields still intact.

Thats the problem with time travel... its Sooo easy to get tripped up. I should know.