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Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a phaser?

Re: Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a pha

Timo said:
The VISOR, definitely. Data has never seen things a human eye couldn't see if said human stared and concentrated enough.

Timo Saloniemi

Not quite true, in Timescape, Data was able to tell that time had not really stopped but was only moving so slow that it was outside of a humans perception. He noticed this at the warp core breach because it was moving faster than the rest of the ship. Though you'd think he'd have also noticed the Romulan disruptor shots moving.
 
Re: Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a pha

This reminds me of the extreme disappointment I felt upon watching early VOY eps and seeing the doctor reading something. It's no secret that the VOY doctor was based on Rimmer in "Red Dwarf". Even THAT character was shown to have the ability simply "assimilate" information from the ship's computer, since he himself was a holographic projection from such.

The doctor on VOY having to read stuff was just daft and an early indication of where the show and the franchise was headed.
 
Re: Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a pha

You need to remember, though, that the sickbay was not designed to operate with an EMH in charge. The facility was built with human(oid) users in mind, and the tools available to the CMO would be optimized for human(oid) use.

It's a bit similar to how Asimov time and again felt the need to point out that man-shaped robots driving combine harvesters are better than robots that are shaped like combine harvesters - because the man-shaped robot then can drive the tractor and the pickup as well, and dig a ditch and peel the potatoes and feed the cat, something the harvester could not do. Perhaps Starfleet just didn't feel the need to install optimal datafeeds for the EMH program when a man-in-the-loop reading interface would more flexibly serve the usual surgeon - regardless of whether he, she or it was human, Andorian, Antedean or hologram.

Certainly it makes sense that the EMH would need a medical tricorder and a biobed in order to analyze his patient, rather than somehow magically wave his holographic hand over said patient. The holographic form is not very functional - it's just a shape that can at best hold objects. The eyes and ears of the EMH must be elsewhere: in the walls on the sickbay, or in the mobile emitter while in away duty.

Now, an android emergency medic should quite logically have medical tools and sensors hidden in his hands and tongue and whatnot... Such a machine might become Starfleet's standard field medic, being more doable than a mobile hologram yet still being capable of operating on similarly concentrated expertise, and of using the full range of humanoid medical tools. But Data isn't a single-application android, so giving him special tools would be counterproductive. (He's also something of a prototype, of course.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
Re: Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a pha

Tulin said:
This reminds me of the extreme disappointment I felt upon watching early VOY eps and seeing the doctor reading something. It's no secret that the VOY doctor was based on Rimmer in "Red Dwarf". Even THAT character was shown to have the ability simply "assimilate" information from the ship's computer, since he himself was a holographic projection from such.

The doctor on VOY having to read stuff was just daft and an early indication of where the show and the franchise was headed.

I asked a similar question about the EMH in the Voyager Forum. I did receive lots of possibilities, but as I've read in this forum the Doctor was an EMH Mark I. I guess it's quite possible that the Mark III, or later models could do a lot more.
 
Re: Why did Data need to carry aeound a tricorder? Or a pha

Timo said:
You need to remember, though, that the sickbay was not designed to operate with an EMH in charge. The facility was built with human(oid) users in mind, and the tools available to the CMO would be optimized for human(oid) use.

It's a bit similar to how Asimov time and again felt the need to point out that man-shaped robots driving combine harvesters are better than robots that are shaped like combine harvesters - because the man-shaped robot then can drive the tractor and the pickup as well, and dig a ditch and peel the potatoes and feed the cat, something the harvester could not do. Perhaps Starfleet just didn't feel the need to install optimal datafeeds for the EMH program when a man-in-the-loop reading interface would more flexibly serve the usual surgeon - regardless of whether he, she or it was human, Andorian, Antedean or hologram.

Certainly it makes sense that the EMH would need a medical tricorder and a biobed in order to analyze his patient, rather than somehow magically wave his holographic hand over said patient. The holographic form is not very functional - it's just a shape that can at best hold objects. The eyes and ears of the EMH must be elsewhere: in the walls on the sickbay, or in the mobile emitter while in away duty.

Now, an android emergency medic should quite logically have medical tools and sensors hidden in his hands and tongue and whatnot... Such a machine might become Starfleet's standard field medic, being more doable than a mobile hologram yet still being capable of operating on similarly concentrated expertise, and of using the full range of humanoid medical tools. But Data isn't a single-application android, so giving him special tools would be counterproductive. (He's also something of a prototype, of course.)

Timo Saloniemi
Borg 'medical repair' Drones. No Federation sickbay should be without one. ;)
 
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