Whose fault, if any can be given, was it for Voyager not good?

[indolover]

I think personally Voyager was good. Not perhaps as high quality as TNG or DS9, but a good show nonetheless. But having said that, who can be blamed for it not being up to par?

If it is the production, then why were there production problems/issues? Was it the actors? Beltran is sometimes criticised in turn for criticising the show, but IMO he was justified since his character was not fully developed and expanded.

 

[SRFX]

UPN and Jeri Taylor

 

[Anwar]

1) It came too soon, folks were getting burnt out a bit on Trek and the creative staff was spread too thinly. Also, the proper FX to make it work better weren't available yet.

2) Some bad casting, Wang and Beltran first and foremost.

3) Aspects of the premise needed to be scrapped or more thought put into them: They shouldn't have used the Maquis or the Delta Quadrant, or that "we can't make more torpedoes" thing either.

4) Jeri Taylor declaring Janeway could never be wrong, and UPN declaring the crew would all get along straight off the bat as well as no arc storytelling.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I don't agree with the premise of the OP, and therefore cannot give an answer.

 

[SchwEnt]

Let's blame Berman again. Taylor and Piller, too.

I don't get it, really.
The guys who were the showrunners were the same guys who tossed out the program's premise from the outset.
The Maquis-Starfleet crew conflict didn't last beyond the first half dozen eps, for the most part.
The ship stranded without support didn't suffer any hardships to speak of.

If the guys who devised the whole series premise didn't want to stick with it... and they were running the series... then why even bother? Did they disapprove of their own creation?

 

[RyuRoots]

My understanding is that UPN encouraged the extreme episodic nature of the show and discouraged some of the more interesting ideas they had.

It also didn't help that the writers didn't seem to have ANY level of consensus on what to do with the characters, particularly Janeway.

 

[Anwar]

Yep, Berman wasn't as involved with VOY on the creative level as his detractors think. It was mainly Piller and Taylor, with Taylor being a pain in the @$$ and Piller ready to leave after "Caretaker" while being PO'ed at UPN's interference.

 

[Destructor]

If fault be assigned, thoughts of mine drift towards persons of running the station show was on. Predecessor shows syndicated so not subject to interference of network variety. Shows better as result. Voyager too much lowbrow, unsmart, to think.

 

[Gotham Central]

My understanding is that UPN encouraged the extreme episodic nature of the show and discouraged some of the more interesting ideas they had.

It also didn't help that the writers didn't seem to have ANY level of consensus on what to do with the characters, particularly Janeway.

This may be true, but I think that it has come out that Jeri Taylor had a lot to do with some of the more questionable decisions on the show. She apparently hated arc storytelling and did not think it was appropriate for Star Trek. She was also apparently responsible for some of the directives about how Janeway could and could not be portrayed that really strangled the character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Christie Brinkley.

 

[Captrek]

Sarah Palin.

 

[Anwar]

She was also apparently responsible for some of the directives about how Janeway could and could not be portrayed that really strangled the character.

Yep, half of the problem was Taylor making Janeway her personal Mary Sue and the other half were UPN/Paramount Execs who were scared about the potential sexist undertones of the series' premise concerning Janeway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

John Kennedy Junior.

 

[BlobVanDam]

I'd put it down mostly to UPN, and a bit of bad casting, although ultimately I liked all of the actors. Since I think Voyager was pretty good overall, I'd say the rest of the blame is equally spread between the people working on it. Maybe that should fall back to the producers for not taking more care with the show though.

 

[Purdy Bear]

If any programme of a fictional nature fails it has to be put down to bad script writers. Its very rare that good writing makes a bad show.

For me there are very few episodes of Voyager that were truely horrendous and a waste of space, but as Mulgrew said these were budget restricted and thus script restricted.

 

[exodus]

Rap Music

 

[Anwar]

Not ENOUGH rap music, you mean.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Can you imagine Tuvok and Chakotay krumping, stomping the bridge for the First Officers job?

 

[indolover]

If any programme of a fictional nature fails it has to be put down to bad script writers. Its very rare that good writing makes a bad show.

For me there are very few episodes of Voyager that were truely horrendous and a waste of space, but as Mulgrew said these were budget restricted and thus script restricted.

Voyager had some very good stories in it, so I don't think it's a writing problem. IMO, it's largely due to production.

 

[exodus]

Can you imagine Tuvok and Chakotay krumping, stomping the bridge for the First Officers job?

No but Neelix would.


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