Who's the worst VILLAIN?

[Mage]

I think both Ruafo and Shinzon could have been amazing, but were badly written and not so well acted, compared to how good both actors can act. Especially Shinzon had the capacity for a perfect villian.

So, in terms of underused and underdeveloped, both of them for me. I still love both these movies, and prefer them over the simple action-driven First Contact, which is odd, since First Contact is definatly the better movie of the three.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I'd have easily said the Borg queen and the supremely stupid Shinzon, but I think something has in my mind more recently edged them out -- and that's no mean feat considering how utterly shit the aforementioned are.

I know, what in the world could edge those out? The the fallic whale probe (probably soon to be banned from the board like the penisrock, since, well, it looks like a giant...).

At first glance it appears to be nothing more than a probe that simply wanted to re-establish contact with one species of whale (fuck all the other whales, right?). But with broader thought, this is an evil villain.

Think about it. A giant probe -- regardless of whether or not you can say how sophisitcated it is or whether or not there was any life on board -- that dampens and harms life on any vessel nearby yet seems oblivious to it, invades areas of inhabited space without announcing itself or it's intentions, heads straight for the heart of Starfleet, causes terrible window-breaking weather, starts draining the planet of the very habitat the species of whale lives in, while desvestating the planet and causing a planetary distress call.

Never mind that the probe doesn't seem to give a fuck about the other whales in the ocean or other species for that matter, it's destroying the place that species of whale lives in. Even if it found one (arguing in this sake that it wasn't extint) and the whale survived, it would be a small condolence to the species; the ecological habitat would be laid waste, the food supply of the species would be laid waste, and the planet would likely not recover from the event, which could cause massive shifts that would end up killing off the whale, including drastic weather dips from blocked out sun. And what about intelligent life? Never mind that fucking stupid comment from Spock about "human arrogence", what about the arrogence of that alien life? Kill everything else in an attempt to contact one species, including the food and home of that species, in order to brielfy re-establish contact?

Probe: "Hey, you still there?"

Whale (translated for you): "Yeah. Holy shit -- you destroyed my home! And I can't find any food!"

Probe: "Great to hear from you. Bye-bye!" leaves.


Further more, who knows how many other inhabited planets this probe has devistated to re-establish contact with a species of whale, or bird, or rat and so forth. It's an intersteller war machine that kills planets to check up on it's pen pal.


No intelligent, well-meaning, caring race would design such a monster.

 

[Paradise City]

I have no great issue with Shinzon and I'm kind of baffled as to the sheer degree he's disliked. Ruafo has to struggle for space with the dodgy Admiral for too long in the film, so the Ruafo character doesn't get a chance to dominate the film in a way that would make him memorable.

But anyway. The Borg Queen is my pick, although I'm conflicted. Molesting Data and touching up Picard....I'm sorry but that came across as comedic to me when I watched it. That's not me hatin' on Alice K, she's very courageous in the role but I just didn't like the way they divested the impersonal nature of the borg and replaced it with the face of a sultry dominatrix. I'd prefer if they made it like V'Ger, impersonal but laden with menace. An impersonal antagonist like that is far harder to write for of however, so they gave the borg the dominatrix.

 

[somebuddyX]

I think Kruge is most disappointing to me, because of the lost potential in that film. I think if he and Torg had swapped places, with a cold and calculating leader and hot-headed first-officer, it could have been great.
I feel like slapping down Star Trek 5 is just too easy at this point and I never feel that Sybok is really a villain, even if he fills the antagonist role. And God's plan is pretty stupid but I feel George Murdoch was great once it's clear what his agenda is and he starts ripping into Sybok about what an idiot he is. His voice is just so cool.
All those TNG villains just need to be beamed into goddamn space.

 

[RAMA]

Everybody on the list from Star Trek V. It's not even a comparison. Kruge, Shinzon, Ruafo...light years better than the useless, ill-conceived and badly executed foils from STV.

The main problem..they are SO bad they may not even register to some people and some people will forget to vote for them.

Not that far off though: let's talk about Star Wars: The Force Awakens though...a $200 million movie with the worst 3 villains in many years. A petulant boy-man as the main dark side force wielder(how far the mighty have fallen) whose chief weapon is a nose that could slice bread. A non-entity female in a chrome suit whose main claim to fame is getting captured without a fight. An ineffectual big-headed cloaked figure in a cave.

RAMA

I think both Ruafo and Shinzon could have been amazing, but were badly written and not so well acted, compared to how good both actors can act. Especially Shinzon had the capacity for a perfect villian.

So, in terms of underused and underdeveloped, both of them for me. I still love both these movies, and prefer them over the simple action-driven First Contact, which is odd, since First Contact is definatly the better movie of the three.

 

[PCz911]

I think both Ruafo and Shinzon could have been amazing, but were badly written and not so well acted, compared to how good both actors can act. Especially Shinzon had the capacity for a perfect villian.

So, in terms of underused and underdeveloped, both of them for me. I still love both these movies, and prefer them over the simple action-driven First Contact, which is odd, since First Contact is definatly the better movie of the three.

Star Trek has had access to some great actors for their guest spots. The fact that most of the characters they play have been a major disappointments seems to me to indicate that its the consistently bad writing that is the root cause of poor characterizations. I don't care how great an actor you are, if the writing and direction is poor then you have little chance. So I wouldn't put the blame on the actors ... I place it entirely on the writers.

 

[Capn Nick]

Star Trek has had access to some great actors for their guest spots. The fact that most of the characters they play have been a major disappointments seems to me to indicate that its the consistently bad writing that is the root cause of poor characterizations. I don't care how great an actor you are, if the writing and direction is poor then you have little chance. So I wouldn't put the blame on the actors ... I place it entirely on the writers.

I think that's mostly true, but I think 9 actors out of 10 would have seemed a little goofy giving Khan or Chang's lines (my two favorite villains) but Ricardo Montalban and Christopher Plummer give such gravitas to the roles. I love the Wrath of Khan, but Khan really partially works because of the way Montalban is willing to draw out his words in his death scene like a Shakespearean death scene. Better directing, better writing but also better characterization.

 

[TheSubCommander]

The Son'a

 

[Mage]

Star Trek has had access to some great actors for their guest spots. The fact that most of the characters they play have been a major disappointments seems to me to indicate that its the consistently bad writing that is the root cause of poor characterizations. I don't care how great an actor you are, if the writing and direction is poor then you have little chance. So I wouldn't put the blame on the actors ... I place it entirely on the writers.

Very much agreed. I mean, look at Natalie Portman. She was fantastic in Leon and Black Swan, to name a few. But then she was also in Star Wars TPM/AOTC/ROTS and the Thor movies. I LOVE the Thor movies, but you can tell she's not giving it all she has, despite the first Thor movie having a very solid director. It just wasn't something she could sink her teeth into.

 

[somebuddyX]

Not that far off though: let's talk about Star Wars: The Force Awakens though...a $200 million movie with the worst 3 villains in many years. A petulant boy-man as the main dark side force wielder(how far the mighty have fallen) whose chief weapon is a nose that could slice bread. A non-entity female in a chrome suit whose main claim to fame is getting captured without a fight. An ineffectual big-headed cloaked figure in a cave.

RAMA

I feel Snoke's about as much as a villain in that one as the Emperor was in Star Wars or Empire. I can understand hating Kylo Ren but I like him precisely because he doesn't know what he's doing and is a bit pathetic. He's the ultimate Vader fanboy and wears a stupid mask and voice changer but can't come close to that true ruthlessness and thinks killing "somebody" will finally help him achieve that. I think he works as an emotional foil to Rey, with their connection to Han Solo, but not as a big bad as such, who I think Hux should have been, in the same way Tarkin was in Star Wars.
But yeah, Phasma sucks. TR-8R was gr8 tho.

 

[eyeresist]

Just a note: V'Ger isn't actually a 'villain' as we know. It came to Earth 'assimilating' everything on its path. It's purpose wasn't to destroy everything to rule the entire galaxy, so I guess it should not be included in this list.

Sybok shouldn't be on this list either.

If this poll included NuTrek I would pick Nero. There are other villains who I could criticise on various issues, but Nero is the only one where I feel there is a gaping hole in the centre of the film.

In the classic films, I don't find any of the villains unacceptable. I do find Kruge rather low-key for a Klingon, though.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Easily Shinzon for me.

An absolute idiot. He is like a representation of how badly written/thought out Nemesis was.

 

[OtherGene]

Tom Hardy as Shinzon. And I say that because had Nemesis been made a decade later with the same cast Shinzon could have been remembered as 'that bad guy that beat the shit out of the Captain Picard'. It would then have been left for Data to save the day by duking it out with 'that bad guy who my wife seems to have a thing for' without taking one for the team.

Plus Shinzon with tatoos and a beard? I could even turn myself for that

 

[suarezguy]

No contest, Shinzon was by far the worst.

 

[STEPhon IT]

All the villains were terrible before and after Khan Noonien Singh, because most of them shared the same vibe. And all had more bark than bite, although I kinda liked Chang but... he's not a fully developed character - he's just the evil guy like in those bad Rocky movies (III, IV, & V); I wanted to know why he loved war? There's a sense he had a General Patton persona in him but it's all surface. Star Trek VI was a lost opportunity for Kirk to fully understand the Klingon culture and be enlightened by them.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Everybody on the list from Star Trek V. It's not even a comparison. Kruge, Shinzon, Ruafo...light years better than the useless, ill-conceived and badly executed foils from STV.

The main problem..they are SO bad they may not even register to some people and some people will forget to vote for them.

Not that far off though: let's talk about Star Wars: The Force Awakens though...a $200 million movie with the worst 3 villains in many years. A petulant boy-man as the main dark side force wielder(how far the mighty have fallen) whose chief weapon is a nose that could slice bread. A non-entity female in a chrome suit whose main claim to fame is getting captured without a fight. An ineffectual big-headed cloaked figure in a cave.

RAMA

It's a farce these villains could even create a Death Star weapon or could rule or threaten a galaxy, just clunky. What could these stooges do when facing what is THE ULTIMATE BADASS who's not a Jedi yet??? Why are the villains worried about Luke Skywalker when they should have their full attention and declare a shock and awe on the Mary Sue of the Star Wars Universe: Rey.

LMAO!!! It's like the "Smoke monster Locke" from LOST worrying about Jack as a threat and I kept thinking if the scripts were smarter he should've been worried about KATE.

 

[PCz911]

The sad thing is, there are so many poorly written movie characters to choose from. With a few exceptions, Star Trek movies have been ... Really bad. And TNG movies especially so. This is what is so depressing about this topic. The list of well written characters and movies is pretty lean. :-(

 

[Captain Zog]

Hated Shinzon with a passion. Claimed to be a clone of Picard but looked and sounded nothing like him; dressed and acted like a Nazi skinhead punk and plotted to destroy Earth for no reason whatsoever. The Romulans should have been the villains in that movie, not that scrawny punk and his army of hobgoblins (though the Remans themselves did look quite cool).

 

[M-Red]

Yeah, Shinzon.

 

[M-Red]

Watching Nemesis now on VH1Classic --- it's so frustrating to rewatch the lost potential of NEM. Shinzon was conceived, written, casted, and directed.....so, so wrong.

Ugh.