Who's idea was "the Borg children"?

[Caprica_Six]

I pretty much only liked them in "Child's play" beyond that they were pretty useless.

And I still don't know what happened to the baby. They probably recycled it for parts or cooked it.

 

[nickyboy]

It was bad so i'll assume it was Bermarga's idea

 

[Therin of Andor]

The Borg Queen said:
Except for the baby...

There was a scene written where the Borg baby was handed over with the twins, but they needed to cut for time and, since there was concern that viewers wouldn't remember that character, the scene was dropped before filming.

Assume the baby was beamed down offscreen.

 

[DS9Continuing]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Borg kids were one of the many lost opportunities that could have made for a fantastic arc through the sixth season and had an enormous impact on the seventh.

Look at these events in the sixth season:

* "Survival Instinct" - we meet three ex-Borg who, despite having left the collective as a whole, were deliberately linked together so they could retain individuality. They cannot be separated or they would die.

* "Collective" - we encounter a Borg ship that was destroyed thanks to some unknown viral agent, and take the Borg children on board.

* "Child's Play" - we discover that the virus was carried inside one of the children and was specifically designed to destroy the Borg.

* "Unimatrix Zero" - three crew members deliberately infiltrate the Borg to deliver a virus that they're carrying inside them.

Look at the obviousness there. Why didn't they use the exact same virus that they already had? Why didn't the writers take the chance to keep Janeway, Tuvok and B'Elanna linked together (on pain of death) even after they're deassimilated? So many story possibilities there, not least of which a new three-way combination of logical-versus-passionate with Janeway stuck in the middle.

 

[exodus]

I Love Chakotay said:

exodus said:
^^I always saw Seven being a "mommy" to the Borg kids as a way to make up for the anger she felt toward he own parents for risking her life. It was like righting a wrong.

I understand how you feel about Tuvok & Chakotay but not many warmed up to Neelix & Kim. I think some really good eps were written for both but nobody ever liked them or paid them any mind, same with Kes. How many Kes, Neelix or Kim stories can you honestly say you really enjoyed? Most can only name one for each.

Good point about Seven's righting a wrong, but I still think that in the long run it did the character a disservce.

As to Neelix & Kim not being fan favs, it's chicken & egg isn't it. Could they have been more liked as characters if Braga had fleshed them out more and MADE them more likable by writing their threads more often (from season 4 onwards when he took over) and certainly with more care instead of ignoring them in favour of the Borg kids/Seven threads? Also, for me and many others who feel Seven was already overused by the time the kids arrived, by over-egging the pudding with the 'Seven as mommie' thing, what Braga did was make Seven a truly annoying and overused character. So, the kids were counterproductive really in that regard.

Akiraprise

Seven was the shows only ace the hole to keep veiwers butts in the seats. Seven was in the show allot because she was part of a media blitz to make Trek cool to a bigger audience as well as to make her a househld name that symbolizes Trek like Spock & Data did.

Love her or hate her, Seven kept Voyager on TV for 4 more years. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay & Tuvok didn't, they helped but to the casual viewer Seven was the big draw.

 

[Ro_Laren]

lvsxy808 said:
* "Unimatrix Zero" - three crew members deliberately infiltrate the Borg to deliver a virus that they're carrying inside them.

Look at the obviousness there. Why didn't they use the exact same virus that they already had?quote]

Wow, I never thought of that. It would have been the best way to get rid of the Borg, however I don't think that was their objective. In this episode Janeway was focusing on the fact that the collective is made of billions of individuals. She wanted to give those that had access to Unimatrix Zero the chance to reclaim their individuality while at the same time allowing them to do damage to the collective. If she didn't care about them as individuals (i.e. if she didn't care if they died) then they could have released the disease that the Borg kids had (that is if they still had samples of it).

BTW, I liked the Borg kids. IMO, Icheb was a great character.

If I ever see Mulgrew at a convention I'll be sure to ask her what she did with the Borg baby! LOL. Has anyone ever asked her....

 

[Tino]

The Borg Queen said:
Perhaps they were included just to allow for more use of Naomi's character, with Icheb as a justification for including a group of new character arbitrarily.

I personally think that it was meant to push Seven's character forward. Maybe the writers felt that she's grown up as a human now and had to deal with some more responsibility, therefore taking on the children?

The children could reflect on Seven's development as a human, like when she's told to give them a little more freedom. Also, Seven could give them encouragement and guidance. That showed us indirectly that she's understanding humanity and its values.

It's the same development with the Doctor.

Kes mentored him for three years. When he had grown up (and she vanished), he mentored Seven for three years. When she had grown up, she started caring for the Borg children.

They all were childlike in the beginning, matured and took on someone to raise up.

 

[The Borg Queen]

exodus said:
Love her or hate her, Seven kept Voyager on TV for 4 more years. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay & Tuvok didn't, they helped but to the casual viewer Seven was the big draw.

She saved the show.

With her ginormous boobies.

 

[exodus]

The Borg Queen said:

exodus said:
Love her or hate her, Seven kept Voyager on TV for 4 more years. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay & Tuvok didn't, they helped but to the casual viewer Seven was the big draw.

She saved the show.

With her ginormous boobies.

Shut Up! :thumbsup:

 

[Searider Falcon]

The Borg Queen said:

exodus said:
Love her or hate her, Seven kept Voyager on TV for 4 more years. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay & Tuvok didn't, they helped but to the casual viewer Seven was the big draw.

She saved the show.

With her ginormous boobies.

 

[exodus]

Rina said:

The Borg Queen said:

exodus said:
Love her or hate her, Seven kept Voyager on TV for 4 more years. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay & Tuvok didn't, they helped but to the casual viewer Seven was the big draw.

She saved the show.

With her ginormous boobies.

Thank you, I was trying to remember who had that avatar.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Navaros said:
I'm wondering what the deal is with "the Borg children"?

Who's "bright idea" was it to put "Borg children" on the show?

It was mine.

So what of it?

You wanna throw down. tough guy?



-Shawn

 

[TheMurph]

I personally liked the Borg children. Voyager like DS9 actually got kids in Trek right. IMO

 

[DataRules]

TheMurph said:
I personally liked the Borg children. Voyager like DS9 actually got kids in Trek right. IMO

My thoughts exactly. Even though they were Borg, they were still clearly children and they were portrayed as such, not miniature geniuses which would have driven me crazy. Could you imagine, a bunch of little Wesley Crushers running around the ship?

Peace...

 

[Gary7]

Re: Who's idea was "the Borg children"?

I personally liked the Borg children. Voyager like DS9 actually got kids in Trek right. IMO

That's an interesting point... I do wonder if that was part of the decision to introduce them. A widening of the target audience for the show. Certainly the intended audience would have a substantial impact on story lines and characters included...

I've not seen many of the Borg children episodes. Just a couple. And I didn't care for them. Maybe I didn't give them enough of a chance?

What would rank as the top 1-3 episodes that featured the Borg children?

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

Re: Who's idea was "the Borg children"?

I'm wondering what the deal is with "the Borg children"?

Who's "bright idea" was it to put "Borg children" on the show? What was the intended purpose of these children? Ie: was it supposed to be a "ratings grab" thing and if so, what is the logic behind that? When was it decided to make them "regulars" instead of one-episode guests?

Are "the Borg children" generally liked by Voyager fans, or hated?

Personally speaking, I am not a Voyager fan and I really, really can't stand the Borg children - most especially "Icheb". I don't get why Neelix is often cited as one of Trek's most annoying characters considering he's on the same show as Icheb. In my view Icheb is 100 000x more annoying than Neelix.

Thanks for your feedback about these questions.

Icheb - the character does nothing for me, Also I herd that the actor behind has been an ASS to fans at conventions, as well he as not done much since VGR

 

[exodus]

Re: Who's idea was "the Borg children"?

You never know.
Ricky Schroder, Scott Baio & Jackie Earle Haley are some of the few that proved the comeback of a child star is possable.

 

[neogothboy74]

Re: Who's idea was "the Borg children"?

I liked Icheb. That's my vague recollection of the series. I didn't think the other Borg children were terrible. And there was a next generation episode where they showed Borg infants ("Q Who?") so it wasn't like Borg children were new Trek. We saw borg childre in Unimatrix Zero too. I remember liking the episode where Icheb is returned to his parents and we get his backstory. And I liked the episode where he risked his life to save Seven. That's what I remember of the Borg children.