Who's IDEA was it to knock up B'Elanna in the Killing Game?

[Guy Gardener]

Yes the actress was pregnant, and no it wasn't a real baby inside the plotted constraints, but consider the implication of not just manifesting a full womb on her athletic little frame, but contriving a backstory that this pregnancy was an inadvertent production of spying too Close to the Nazi Chain of Command... That's some fucked up shit to weigh on her character, especially considering what back alley abortions were like in those days that she could have done her self serious harm WHEN she decided she no longer needed the "thing" in her belly to maintain her cover (What Chakotay felt about Seska harvesting his sperm times 2 billion.) because the French in those days were hard.

Despite direction from on high, Harry Kim was designing (writing code) and implementing the programs. Did Harry inflict this inside her for some reason? Did she piss him off? Spurn his advances? (Doesn't that make him the father?) The Kazon might have been punishing her? Because lets face it, Harry was not the first person that the Hirogen would have chosen to caretake their new Holodecks for the duration but Lieutenant Torres would have been and after they made her the house slave, she done something brave and failed (resulting in how many casualties and punishment, that Harry might have double helpingsly punished her too for failing to save them all.), creating a situation where her new masters all but leading her about in a collar, might believe that they had to punish the halfling by awarding her super shitty identities for all their ongoing hunting games they were involving her within... Or it could have just been a prophylactic to stop Tom and B'Elanna mounting each other, a frantic frightful sight which EVERYONE was getting a little bored of, that no matter what parts the two star-crossed lovers were playing, they would always wangle it that they became the greatest love story ever told... It would actually a bit of a laugh for Harry and the Hirogens (Worst band name ever?) to produce additional ever more ludicrous obstacles to their happily ever afters, making it harder and harder for true love to win out.

Or simply that the computer was just randomly generating characters and Lanny matter of factly drew a bum lot just this once?

 

[exodus]

Well, at least it ain't another post about Janeway.......

 

[jgdst]

That's an interesting question, and one I hadn't even thought about before. I've gone for the Hirogen. Considering Klingons (and even half-Klingons) are formidable warriors, I suppose it would make sense to limit her abilities.

Having said that, Seven and Tuvok were both shown to have superior strength. I guess for the sake of some kind of logical reason why B'Elanna was singled out, her role was to be the Nazi Hirogen's love interest, so a pregnancy would further reduce that desire for her to start breaking noses and give her something else to focus on and protect.

Or I could be totally wrong

 

[kimc]

Well, at least it ain't another post about Janeway.......

So, what do you guys think Janeway thought about B'Elanna being knocked up in "Killing Game"?

 

[froot]

I doubt she was the victim of random character generation - the characters the VOY crew played usually fit their personalities. It could be that B'Elanna's personality just happened to fit the bill for a particular character who was pregnant. Likely the Hirogen didn't magic up the character profiles themselves from thin air - taken from history texts or holonovels, perhaps?

No doubt the Hirogen were sick bastards, though. So who knows? What they did in the Killing Game was all sorts of messed up to start with. It would have been kinder to just kill their prey straight away. Perhaps they got enjoyment out of toying with them, and throwing B'Elanna in that situation was amusing to them?

 

[exodus]

Well, at least it ain't another post about Janeway.......

So, what do you guys think Janeway thought about B'Elanna being knocked up in "Killing Game"?

Dammit!!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jongredic? You must have blanked out spending anymuch time around pregnant women.

They're far more dangerous than the unoccupied variety.

Which just raises another option it's too late to include in the poll.

Is it a greater challenge to hunt a pregnant woman?

Maybe that's what they were after?

However for it to be a far approximation of challenging a pregnant woman, they would have had to have been forcing the doctor to dope her in so as to leave her hormones and mentality in a perturbed state.

 

[jgdst]

Jongredic? You must have blanked out spending anymuch time around pregnant women.

They're far more dangerous than the unoccupied variety.

That's pretty much the reason I don't spend much time around them. In my mind, it's all sunshine and rainbows

 

[exodus]

I doubt she was the victim of random character generation - the characters the VOY crew played usually fit their personalities. It could be that B'Elanna's personality just happened to fit the bill for a particular character who was pregnant. Likely the Hirogen didn't magic up the character profiles themselves from thin air - taken from history texts or holonovels, perhaps?

No doubt the Hirogen were sick bastards, though. So who knows? What they did in the Killing Game was all sorts of messed up to start with. It would have been kinder to just kill their prey straight away. Perhaps they got enjoyment out of toying with them, and throwing B'Elanna in that situation was amusing to them?

Yes, I think it was a psychological tactic too.

The Hirogen have two holodecks running
1 with a Klingon program, the other with the Nazi' in France one.
Yet the only Klingon on the ship isn't in the Klingon program, she's in the Nazi one and is pregnant. That would drive someone with Be'Lanna's psychological profile nuts. It's like putting her on a leash. So they build up her frustration until one day you let her loose...............and the best hunt ever starts.

 

[froot]

Yes, I think it was a psychological tactic too.

The Hirogen have two holodecks running
1 with a Klingon program, the other with the Nazi' in France one.
Yet the only Klingon on the ship isn't in the Klingon program, she's in the Nazi one and is pregnant. That would drive someone with Be'Lanna's psychological profile nuts. It's like putting her on a leash. So they build up her frustration until one day you let her loose...............and the best hunt ever starts.

Great point! Perhaps it was simply for the challenge.

Even the most battle-hardened Hirogen hunter should be terrified of hunting an angry (pregnant) B'Elanna, though. If human pregnant women aren't sunshine and rainbows, I can only imagine how scary pregant Klingon women are. Especially if they've been put through weeks of hell.

 

[exodus]

Yes, I think it was a psychological tactic too.

The Hirogen have two holodecks running
1 with a Klingon program, the other with the Nazi' in France one.
Yet the only Klingon on the ship isn't in the Klingon program, she's in the Nazi one and is pregnant. That would drive someone with Be'Lanna's psychological profile nuts. It's like putting her on a leash. So they build up her frustration until one day you let her loose...............and the best hunt ever starts.

Great point! Perhaps it was simply for the challenge.

Even the most battle-hardened Hirogen hunter should be terrified of hunting an angry B'Elanna, though.

Say Word!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well they programmed the holograms in flesh and blood to surpass their own skills.

Vanity and arrogance.

It's a character flaw.

Though consideing that B'Elanna's german lover played a similar if not the same german officer in the season four episdoes of Enterprise stormwarning where Archer and his ship duck off into a Mirror WWII, it is possible that B'Elanna's character was taken from the history tapes too.

J. Paul Boehmer was an unnammed SS officver in one and and unnamed SS Agent in the other.

C'est la Vie.

 

[brcarthey]

I doubt she was the victim of random character generation - the characters the VOY crew played usually fit their personalities. It could be that B'Elanna's personality just happened to fit the bill for a particular character who was pregnant. Likely the Hirogen didn't magic up the character profiles themselves from thin air - taken from history texts or holonovels, perhaps?

No doubt the Hirogen were sick bastards, though. So who knows? What they did in the Killing Game was all sorts of messed up to start with. It would have been kinder to just kill their prey straight away. Perhaps they got enjoyment out of toying with them, and throwing B'Elanna in that situation was amusing to them?

Yes, I think it was a psychological tactic too.

The Hirogen have two holodecks running
1 with a Klingon program, the other with the Nazi' in France one.
Yet the only Klingon on the ship isn't in the Klingon program, she's in the Nazi one and is pregnant. That would drive someone with Be'Lanna's psychological profile nuts. It's like putting her on a leash. So they build up her frustration until one day you let her loose...............and the best hunt ever starts.

to take it to a logical conclusion if the WWII scenario had played out, b'elanna would have been hunted down by the general french populace for being a nazi collaborator and shaved her head. of course, she would've been defended by her fellow french maquis. nevertheless, she could've eventually been a cornered klingon in the WWII scenario. that would definitely make for a dangerous b'elanna!

as everyone knows harry, tom and b'elanna were very close friends. if harry had a hand in making b'elanna preggo then i would think he thought it might save her from any serious harm from the hirogen. they spoke of honor and harry might have interpreted that maybe they would do an honorable thing by not attacking a pregnant woman. while he could do this for b'elanna, not much could be done for tom other than harry giving tom peace of mind that b'elanna might be safer.