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Who was the original chief science officer on Voyager?

Timo said:
Before the "Caretaker" casualties, probably not. After them, probably yes. There's little indication that Kim would have been a department head until the ship's senior officers conveniently up and died. When coming aboard, he was just a run-on-the-mill Ops officer, one of several, never referred to as "the" or "chief" or anything.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, he was the guy manning the station when the ship went on its maiden voyage, both at its launch and once they finally got to the destination. That would certainly seem to imply some semblance of seniority.
 
Or the desire of Janeway to give a "baptism of fire" to her newest officer.

It doesn't seem as if others joined the ship at DS9 besides Paris (who was apparently shuttled over from some other starship that had delivered him from New Zealand) and Kim (who was aboard the station but had not yet met either Paris or the Voyager crew). Janeway could well have been giving extra attention to the new junior officer, while allowing the Chief of Ops to sleep in - and thus supposedly perish in his or her sleep.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:Before the "Caretaker" casualties, probably not. After them, probably yes. There's little indication that Kim would have been a department head until the ship's senior officers conveniently up and died. When coming aboard, he was just a run-on-the-mill Ops officer, one of several, never referred to as "the" or "chief" or anything.

JANEWAY: Did you have any problems getting here, Mr. Paris?
PARIS: None at all, Captain.
JANEWAY: My first officer, Lieutenant Commander Cavit. (to Cavit) Ensign Kim, Mr. Paris.
CAVIT: Welcome aboard.

JANEWAY: Ensign Kim, this is your station. Would you like to take over?
KIM: Yes, ma'am.
JANEWAY: It's not crunch time yet, Mr. Kim. I'll let you know when.

Seems to be doing alot for just your run-of-the-mill Ops officer eh? Here's "your" station.
 
thestonedkoala said:
exodus said:
Huntingdon said:
But a science officer would be handy to analyse the storm patterns and track exhausts as well as monitor storm activity. The other departments could do all of that to some extent, but having another expert around wouldn't hurt in a dangerous area of space.
That would be a waste of time and resources if that wasn't their assignment. Janeway believed Tuvok's life was in danger, she had to hurry.

Not really. If you're flying in, you don't want to be flying in blind.
Then Tuvok was a bad spy if he couldn't tell Starfleet where he was or how to find him.
 
Well, it would be Kim's station even if he were the most junior of all Ops personnel aboard.

This could go either way, since none of the dialogue is conclusive. Say, the CMO greets Kim as "a" new Ops officer, not "the"...

Of course everybody likes the new kid, all the more because he is rather apparently the only new kid to come aboard. Similarly, everybody hates Paris. The two are the center of attention no matter what their rank and position... But only the position of Paris is verbally established in an unambiguous manner, placing him safely at the very bottom of the barrel.

Could Ensigns be department heads? Supposedly Doctors Bashir and Lense got to pick their first major assignments thanks to doing well at the Academy, but we never meet them at their CMO positions before they have earned their second pips. And possibly LaForge or Worf could hold some sort of departmental top position during the first season of TNG, but they are already Lieutenants (j.g.) when we first meet them on the E-D.

Chekov is our only other Ensign character of note, and he was never established as chief of anything, either. To the contrary, people who outrank him are frequently seen in his chair. Sulu and Uhura are likelier candidates for department heads, but again there is no direct proof, and again they no longer are Ensigns.

Timo Saloniemi
 
exodus said:
thestonedkoala said:
exodus said:
Huntingdon said:
But a science officer would be handy to analyse the storm patterns and track exhausts as well as monitor storm activity. The other departments could do all of that to some extent, but having another expert around wouldn't hurt in a dangerous area of space.
That would be a waste of time and resources if that wasn't their assignment. Janeway believed Tuvok's life was in danger, she had to hurry.

Not really. If you're flying in, you don't want to be flying in blind.
Then Tuvok was a bad spy if he couldn't tell Starfleet where he was or how to find him.

Or he couldn't :P

But wouldn't you want someone familiar with these sort of things manning the science station instead of, you know...your chief of security?
 
thestonedkoala said:
exodus said:
thestonedkoala said:
exodus said:
Huntingdon said:
But a science officer would be handy to analyse the storm patterns and track exhausts as well as monitor storm activity. The other departments could do all of that to some extent, but having another expert around wouldn't hurt in a dangerous area of space.
That would be a waste of time and resources if that wasn't their assignment. Janeway believed Tuvok's life was in danger, she had to hurry.

Not really. If you're flying in, you don't want to be flying in blind.
Then Tuvok was a bad spy if he couldn't tell Starfleet where he was or how to find him.

Or he couldn't :P

But wouldn't you want someone familiar with these sort of things manning the science station instead of, you know...your chief of security?
What? :wtf:


Why would Tuvok be manning the science station? :confused:
 
thestonedkoala said:
He wasn't chief of security until he came onboard :p...
Janeway clearly references him as her chief of security during her visit to Paris at the penal colony.
 
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