Spoilers Who was right? Picard or Riker? (episode 3 spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Saul, Mar 3, 2023.


What should they have done? Ran or fought?

  1. Picard (we have to make a stand against them)

    12 vote(s)
  2. Riker (we have to escape them)

    30 vote(s)
  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
    Shaw calls it a exploration ship.
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  2. Deks

    Deks Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2003
    Even the Nova class (for planetary surveys) was seemingly better armed than the Titan-A and survived in the DQ for a long time... and in Endgame, we saw the Nova class got a pretty sizeable upgrade by 2404 (at least in the alternate timeline).

    It seems to me that SF took a u-turn at some point.
    Why would you want to be sent on a mission even inside UFP space when you know space is unpredictable and on more than one occasion we had very bad things happeneing near the outskirts of Federation space, and inside it.

    Plus, this is the 25th century... you can't seriously tell me that SF would allow a vesself to continue functioning in the field for 20 years without getting any upgrades in the meantime.
    VOY got a badly needed refit/repair in Season 7 (and that was only due to lack of accessibility to a decent port in the meantime - even Torres said that it was put off for too long).

    For ships operating inside or near UFP space, they would be getting regular refits every 3 or 4 years. The Galaxy class was refitted after BoBw concluded (which was at the start of Season 4).
    So, every 3 years or so, ships would get refits/upgrades most likely. Some might take longer to get their upgrades if they are on longer haul missions.

    It seems someone just didn't bother with the Titan-A in that case? Even then, I doubt this oversight would have lasted THAT long. Somoene on the crew would have noticed that they are posted on an outdated tin-can (and don't get me wrong, even if the ship design isn't 'new' as such, that doesn't mean all of its internal tech wouldn't be modern - essentially making it modern through that)
  3. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Journeying onwards
    I imagine Shaw went with a basic load out since the Titan was on an essential milk run, and not intended to see any combat. If they had been assigned to the border I would imagine they would be suitably equipped per the mission profile.
  4. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 15, 2009
    Ship has Phasers and photon torpedoes. What more do you want? Transphasic Torpedoes?? Its not a warship.
    Honestly, exploratory ships like this should have the best shield tech available, able to to take alot of damage as there Running Away!
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  5. starburst

    starburst Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 8, 2007
    I really don't think Titan is that under equipped - she's not a battleship like the Sovereign but she's hardly an Oberth.

    As Shaw said before they even got an accurate read on her, the Shrike is "packing" - it doesn't matter whether we can nit pick apart the assortment of weapons the Titan Tactical Ofiicer read out - the fact that they all reacted like it was a big deal means its a big deal - lots of weapons, heavily shielded which combined means she's a threat to the Titans weight class.

    Titans outgunned, she's not the Enterprise but then the Enterprise shields were only as powerful as the plot of the week needed them to be anyway.
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  6. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 20, 2007
    On the other hand, we did see the increasing "actionization" of Picard throughout the movies. TV!Picard would never jump into a fight, but he also wouldn't joyride a dune buggy on an alien planet and get into a car chase and a gunfight with marauders. If one were so inclined -- and I do not believe this show is smart enough to it on purpose, but bear with me -- one could take the events of Seventeen Seconds as a deconstruction of Movie!Picard and his overall questionable decisions.
  7. Deks

    Deks Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2003
    Detonating a torpedo might not have the same effec compared to destroying it with a tuned phaser.

    If you recall, they did the same thing in VOY (season 7). The ECH and Kim fired a torpedo and destroyed it with a phaser beam to create a photonic shockwave and knock back pursuing ships.

    Its possible that making a photonic shockwave is only doable when phasers (or disruptors) are tuned to a given frequency which then interacts with the antimatter explosion of the photon torpedo.
    Otherwise, detonating the torpedo by itself might not have the same effect.
  8. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 27, 2002
    The Titan is clearly no match for the Shrike, even in the nebula. Titan fired on the Shrike before heading into the nebula and it had no effect. Inside the nebula the Shrike still had an advantage. It seems to be a better idea to play cat and mouse until there is another alternative, even if the ship is damaged by staying in the nebula.
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  9. Brainsucker

    Brainsucker Captain Captain

    Dec 3, 2007
    South East Asia
    If we want to be fair, we should also compare the USS Enterprise D to the Borg Cube that they faced in TNG Season 3, and USS Enterprise E to the Scimitar in Nemesis. This is not the first time where Picard and Riker have to face an enemy that way more superior than their ship. Specially when the Shrike is basically inferior, if compared to the Borg Cube and the Scimitar.

    The problem is that long time ago, they had Data, who could think outside the box. While today, they're not. If they have Data in this journey, the Shrike won't be a problem to Titan-A.
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  10. KamenRiderBlade

    KamenRiderBlade Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 24, 2012
    Why didn't they use more proximity detonations, those at least connected with "The Shirke"

    Far better than hitting them "Dead On" and protal-ing those Torpedoes back at you.