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Who should become the next Doctor after Whittaker?

I think the ‘Doctor’ (as an individual) having to vanish for a year, while hai greatest enemy now turned, takes up the mantle, is an interesting story. It’s not even the first time it’s been played with. (Curse of the Fatal Death, and literally the opening of last years two part finale.) Theres also been a running theme of the Doctor almost creating more versions of himself as he goes....Me, Clara...and the idea of him sort of going into hiding to solve a problem cropped up a few times. It would also have been a nice positive end to Missy’s arc (though her bittersweet ‘without witness’ end was good, I like a happy ending.
As a narrative it would have been interesting.
The show is Doctor Who, it doesn't really make a lot of sense to do an entire season where the Doctor is missing. Besides, fans shit more than enough bricks over Doctor-lite episodes that aren't Blink, can you imagine the back-lash over a Doctor-lite season.

Well, I guess if it starred Sally Sparrow fandom would tolerate it. But I think Carey Mulligan's career is in a place now where agreeing to a season of Doctor Who may be a bit trickier than it could have been a decade ago.
 
The show is Doctor Who, it doesn't really make a lot of sense to do an entire season where the Doctor is missing. Besides, fans shit more than enough bricks over Doctor-lite episodes that aren't Blink, can you imagine the back-lash over a Doctor-lite season.

Well, I guess if it starred Sally Sparrow fandom would tolerate it. But I think Carey Mulligan's career is in a place now where agreeing to a season of Doctor Who may be a bit trickier than it could have been a decade ago.

Yup. It’s the kind of things we might see in expanded universe ranges....sometimes, they did it through necessity already over in Big Finish. Then there’s stuff like Adventuress of Henrietta Street, where the P.O.V downplays the Doctor as just one of many characters. I just think the interesting aspects of where the Missy character was headed, were it not a full on Saturday evening T.V show, would have been good going on from where we left her, and with the Doctor borderline training her as a replacement, him in a Zero room fighting his own demons at the top and tail of every story (much like Missy in her prison) would have made a nice choice. I also really liked the Missy character and how that whole arc was written...what starts out as something a bit, well, silly, worked out really well. Even if they had to walk back the original ‘end’ for the John Simm Master to make the contrast in the ending work out.
I think another series of that, with Missy fighting what has always been the dichotomy at the heart of the relationship between the Master and the Doctor (both want the same thing in some respects, a better universe...except the Master thinks the way to get that is through power, and of course he actually is both cruel and coward. You see the journey starting whenever the Master and particularly Missy try to sell their version of saving the universe to the Doctor...whether by trying to bring back Gallifrey or by building the Doctor and Army of Cybermen with which to bring justice to the universe...there’s an odd perversion at the heart of the characters. When the Doctor starts to go dark, he becomes very close to the Master, and as the Master goes light, the difference between him/her and the Doctor becomes less easy to see. It’s the old MLK/Malcolm X, Charlie Xavier/Magneto divide.) would have been really interesting, and without dipping a toe too much into controversial waters, would have been an interesting way to test the waters of fandom vis a vis female Doctors, or even The Doctor as becoming more of a mantle than an identity...something we saw with The Warrior, Clara, The Hybrid, and building through some of the Ponds Arc. It would be regeneration without regeneration almost, and builds thematically on pretty much all the new series of Who. Maybe further back than that.
But I think we will get a reset Master too, shame really. I really liked the Master saving his best friends life and going to tear Rassilon a new one, but that got walked back, and now we will see Missy get walked back too. Can hope for a one off Clara and Missy save the universe special maybe. At least it brought back some shades of grey the the Doctor/Master pseudo sibling hood.
 
I think the ‘Doctor’ (as an individual) having to vanish for a year, while hai greatest enemy now turned, takes up the mantle, is an interesting story. It’s not even the first time it’s been played with. (Curse of the Fatal Death, and literally the opening of last years two part finale.) Theres also been a running theme of the Doctor almost creating more versions of himself as he goes....Me, Clara...and the idea of him sort of going into hiding to solve a problem cropped up a few times. It would also have been a nice positive end to Missy’s arc (though her bittersweet ‘without witness’ end was good, I like a happy ending.
As a narrative it would have been interesting.

And I don’t give a monkeys about the Doctor being female, the decision has been made, I think on balance it wasn’t a good decision, and have explained why that is, in terms that really have nothing to with sexism (no matter how people may wish to jump through hoops to attempt to prove otherwise, because they disagree with my opinion, and it’s easier to paint it as something unpleasant than actually argue with the reasoning.) I have even named an actress as a suggestion in this very thread...now the decision has been taken after all.
The Missy/Doctor switch, would have been even braver in some respects, and still would have given a female lead, going under the Doctor mantle, in Doctor Who. A bit of joggers pokery with the telepathic circuits, and there could even have been a certain level of interesting literal mixing between the characters. It’s not the kind of thing they are likely to do on TV mind you. It certainly had enough build up and set up that could have gone that way, and I think it would have been interesting, from a story perspective.

You enjoy your new Doctor. I am sure there will be wonderful posters and toys. Especially once they get her a decent outfit, the current one is a bit...bland. I am not going in odd circles again, repeating myself for people who don’t seem to understand words and see an argument that isn’t there. I left that conversation alone, and only mention it in passing while discussing some of the ways it could have turned in the story. I have made no new argument against female Doctors of the Time Lord variety. I don’t really have a ‘Doctor should never be a girl’ opinion after all, I have a ‘the character served a valuable role as a male, and am not sure it should have been changed’ opinion. Which are two very different things, but people will be people and look for battles and villains where there are none.

I am ninety percent sure you didn’t even see me suggest an actress, though you replied to the comment, because you are intent on a fight. *shrug*

I am not interested in fighting with people I probably mostly agree with, it seems a waste of everyone’s energy. There are actual arguments worth having.

TL/stopped reading.
It maybe an interesting story, and I agree, but the BBC wouldn’t side line The Doctor for a year—not one of their most popular characters. Best to do that story in a novel or radio play.

Missy pretending to be the Doctor is just that. She’s not The Doctor.
 
TL/stopped reading.
It maybe an interesting story, and I agree, but the BBC wouldn’t side line The Doctor for a year—not one of their most popular characters. Best to do that story in a novel or radio play.

Missy pretending to be the Doctor is just that. She’s not The Doctor.

They sidelined him for sixteen years not long ago ;)
 
That’s called cancellation.

I believe the official BBC term is ‘on hiatus’. Turns out they were right for once. We almost had another one last year. And there was 7a and 7b. And the year of the not so special specials. We are sort of in the middle of one now. Show feels tenuous sometimes.
 
I believe the official BBC term is ‘on hiatus’.

And they placed it on "hiatus" because of lack of an audience.
Imagine what would happen if, "Hey everyone, The Doctor isn't going to be in Doctor Who for a year, but, you can watch Missy pretend to be the Doctor."

The fans who thrive on minutiae--like us here on this board--might be excited, but, how big of an audience share is that? All the more reason for a story like that to take place in a novel or a audio drama.
 
And they placed it on "hiatus" because of lack of an audience.
Imagine what would happen if, "Hey everyone, The Doctor isn't going to be in Doctor Who for a year, but, you can watch Missy pretend to be the Doctor."

The fans who thrive on minutiae--like us here on this board--might be excited, but, how big of an audience share is that? All the more reason for a story like that to take place in a novel or a audio drama.

I think it depends on what Doctor Who is these days. Is it a kids/family show? Or a prestige drama show? Do we want it to do something different? Or stick to a formula?
What’s best for the show?
But like I said, Doctor in a reduced capacity would be something more likely outside the show, which is partially what made it so interesting when it looked like it could swing that way. It almost looked like it was building up to an outright end for the show, from certain narrative perspectives.

And viewing numbers was just the excuse in 89, they were useless numbers, and the show was up against coronation street. It was always about money. There was almost no SF of any kind on the beeb for years after that, and what there was was usually contemporary (read, cheap to shoot on location with cheaper sets) the outlier was Red Dwarf, but that too went on hiatus, and largely kept its immunity because of where it was produced.
 
Yup. It’s the kind of things we might see in expanded universe ranges....sometimes, they did it through necessity already over in Big Finish.
On a semi-related note, there is the short story collection The Missy Chronicles out now which does feature Missy going on various adventures and being an anti-Doctor. Basically think of it as Doctor Who with a lead who doesn't give a shit about trying to do what's right. There are a few cheats, like the one where she has the highest body count ends in a reset button negating those deaths. And the Doctor has no real presence in the novel aside from what is kind of implied to be a Jodie Whitaker cameo.
But I think we will get a reset Master too, shame really. I really liked the Master saving his best friends life and going to tear Rassilon a new one, but that got walked back
I don't think anyone really expected that to be the end of the Master. The Simm Master, sure, but if there's one thing we're always guaranteed with when it comes to the Master it's that he always returns.
 
On a semi-related note, there is the short story collection The Missy Chronicles out now which does feature Missy going on various adventures and being an anti-Doctor. Basically think of it as Doctor Who with a lead who doesn't give a shit about trying to do what's right. There are a few cheats, like the one where she has the highest body count ends in a reset button negating those deaths. And the Doctor has no real presence in the novel aside from what is kind of implied to be a Jodie Whitaker cameo.

I don't think anyone really expected that to be the end of the Master. The Simm Master, sure, but if there's one thing we're always guaranteed with when it comes to the Master it's that he always returns.

I just liked that he had flipped a switch and lost his coward default, which moved him more into Doctor territory. Even his cruelty was dialled down, because he didn’t blast the Doctor out of his path, and to an extent actually saved the earth. That he did so whilst mainly motivated by going for a lifetimes, possibly severals, worth of revenge against Rassilon is either the difference between him and the Doctor, or a similarity.
 
What would happen if "Doctor Who" ever did a season were the "Doctor" wasn't the lead but the campanion was yet the old setup of Male Doctor and Female Companion was used. I felt that was the case with Rose in the first season of the show coming back so in many respects the show has already had a female lead. I know "Rose" was who I considered the main star in season 1 and in Season 2 with Tennant I felt they were basically equal like a Who version of Mulder and Scully. Granted this is coming from someone who was a new fan so I didn't have years and years in the past of watching the old shows. Then I think of "Discovery" and Burnham. Is Burnham less important because she isn't the captain or just as important as the other Captains because she is the main lead of the show. DO you think the show will ever outgrow that one specific character to a point where the Universe itself is even more important than the Doctor as a character? We already have had a few spin-offs so it's just something to wonder about.

Jason
 
What would happen if "Doctor Who" ever did a season were the "Doctor" wasn't the lead but the campanion was yet the old setup of Male Doctor and Female Companion was used. I felt that was the case with Rose in the first season of the show coming back so in many respects the show has already had a female lead. I know "Rose" was who I considered the main star in season 1 and in Season 2 with Tennant I felt they were basically equal like a Who version of Mulder and Scully. Granted this is coming from someone who was a new fan so I didn't have years and years in the past of watching the old shows. Then I think of "Discovery" and Burnham. Is Burnham less important because she isn't the captain or just as important as the other Captains because she is the main lead of the show. DO you think the show will ever outgrow that one specific character to a point where the Universe itself is even more important than the Doctor as a character? We already have had a few spin-offs so it's just something to wonder about.

Jason

There’s been touches of that since Ace in the late eighties. Survival in particular is a story much more dependent on her moving things along. But all of season 26. The Doctor and Clara is very much in that vein, sometimes more obviously, sometimes not. The last season was more ensemble.
 
I was thinking that this upcoming season might feel very much like a ensemble season if it's true about the Doctor being trapped in two different time era's. The Doctor herself will in away be two different versions,possibly and thus you will have several episodes were one version isn't even in the episode. Unless they do a "Lost" thing where you see one story being akin to the flashbacks on that show.

Jason
 
A missing Doctor Story would work, if it was Jenny trying to find it..he/she mother/Father, genetic donor, familial relative, progenerator the Doctor, what ever their relation, problem is now you can't use a pronoun, so how do you describe Jenny's relationship with the Doctor, when she only knew him as father? There would be an uproar I'm sure if that storyline was enacted, and genderization was used by Jenny to describe her quest for her father..mother..so what would you suggest that doesn't come off as pc pandering?
 
A missing Doctor Story would work, if it was Jenny trying to find it..he/she mother/Father, genetic donor, familial relative, progenerator the Doctor, what ever their relation, problem is now you can't use a pronoun, so how do you describe Jenny's relationship with the Doctor, when she only knew him as father? There would be an uproar I'm sure if that storyline was enacted, and genderization was used by Jenny to describe her quest for her father..mother..so what would you suggest that doesn't come off as pc pandering?
Jenny, I presume, initially wouldn't know that the Doctor regenerated into a female body so she would initially think that the Doctor is male and refer to the Docor as her father. Once she learns that he's a she she would start calling her mother. Of course the whole matter is complicated by Doctor Who being a time travel show and she could theoretically encounter any of the Doctors of any gender, but I'm presuming that she is specifically looking for 13. Maybe she gets, I dunno, trapped in 1969 after 10 left and sends Jenny a letter with time machine instructions or whatever and doesn't specify that she is now female and Jenny has to go to other people to get the parts for the machine and learns from them that 13 is female. Of course this sounds like a totally horrible idea, due to the fact that I spent less than thirty seconds thinking of it, but you get the general idea. It's not impossible.
 
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