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Who Is Moffat Making The Series For?

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So we are already complaining about series 6 when we have scene one half of a story? Impressive.

Also, filming the episode in America and explaining to a new audience what's going on in the Doctor Who universe is somehow "Americanizing" the show.

I've been trying to rationalise to myself as to why I put that it's pandering to American audiences. I'm sure I didn't start this whole Americanising of Who debarkal, but if I am, I am sorry and I'll try and explain why I put it as I've just watched The Impossible Planet again.

As a few others have said, it felt off. The two (or maybe three) points where a character asks "Doctor who?" felt jarring. I'm not well-versed in old Who, I've watched Earthshock recently and I remember a few stories on BBC2 in the 90s about Daleks and Giant Maggots and the like. I have watched all of nuwho though, enjoyed most of it and I loved season five. But the thing is, in the last 72 episodes before last night and nuwho returned, that happened once, maybe twice, it sure as hell hasn't happened two or three times in one 45 minute episode. So yes, maybe they were put there for the new viewers all over the planet, but because of the massive PR machine that's been in operation over in the States for the grand premier of Who being in America, it felt like pandering for that audience and not the British audience which should be the primary concern of the Production crew.

Don't get me wrong, it was a good episode, it was like Paul in some regards, nice to see some Brits doing the American thing, enjoying their time out there, but something was off, for me anyway and that was because of the fact it was in America that this was caused.

Can I be 100% confident that if the story was filmed here in the UK or in Canada or Australia or somewhere else it would suffer this problem, no I can't. I am almost confident that if it was filmed somewhere other than America it wouldn't have lacked that spark for me and it seems others. It really wouldn't of had the massive "hey you guys, we're getting popular over here so watch us" vibe it had my me personally.

Oh and for the original question. It's too early to tell, we've had one story out of thirteen and that was the first half of a two parter. If by the mid series point it feels the same, then maybe the primary audience has shifted from here over to the States which is a very sad thing for Who.

Sorry about the rambeliness of this post and I hope I have explained myself as to why I thought what I did.
 
Re: Complaining about "Americanization"

Yeah, all I could think of was setting the show in the US. Besides Kenton or whatever his name is, any of the other Americans are portrayed as idiots, so I can't see pandering.

Yeah, things were explained to the audience, but they were also explained to Rory, which would have to happen anyway.
 
Re: Complaining about "Americanization"

Don't forget the TV movie as well (Although filmed in Vancouver, it was set in San Francisco). Which interestingly, had the Doctor look at a Nixon mask before picking up the "Wild Bill" costume :)
Plus a lot of novels and audios have used America as a setting, although they are often more for the fans than general audiences.
 
Your response makes sense, and I appreciate it. I think that this is the best explanation from a Brit that I have read regarding their fears. Thank you.
 
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True. Although, Earth is a big planet, there is a lot to do and see, and it makes sense that not every threat would occur in London. Of course, the Beeb can't really afford to send crews all over the planet, so you find more of that type of thing in books.

I know a lot of people read fiction or watch television to "escape" and see something besides their home. I thought that the people would welcome something more "exotic," if Utah can be called exotic :D.

The UK is a relatively small country, with a modest population. If they were to go according to statistics, a quarter of the stories should be set in China or India, then another third in Brazil, Japan, Russia and the US. Of course, where would the charm be in all that?
 
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The Hartnell years seemed to travel more outside the UK and alien planets. France, Asia, Central America, Rome, etc. However the show was studio-bound for the most part, and I think once the show incorporated more exteriors and ended up in color it became harder to disguise things with sets and costumes.
 
I have a slightly odd concern. I don't know if this actually was darker or scarier than previous stories. But I know it was hyped as such.

I have a cousin who has Down's Syndrome. She is the hugest Doctor Who fan - has every single episode ever made on video/dvd. And just about every piece of merchandise ever made. (I gave her a Doctor Who Easter Egg this weekend).

But when asked yesterday about watching, she declined. Said she didn't want to see it because it was "too scary". This from a girl who has watched everything Who has ever done. And that makes me sad.

In the same way as every companion now needs to be "like no-one the Doctor has ever met - feisty and independent!" (Like every companion he ever had, actually), I fear this new series has been overhyped for darkness and scariness. And that's at the price of some people choosing not to watch, or feeling it's not really for them.

I would be hard pushed to define the Silence as any scarier than the Weeping Angels, the spiders or that critter in a church wall Jon Pertwee did battle with. For that matter, I doubt they are scarier than the original daleks. But they've been hyped more.
 
Re: Complaining about "Americanization"

True. Although, Earth is a big planet, there is a lot to do and see, and it makes sense that not every threat would occur in London. Of course, the Beeb can't really afford to send crews all over the planet, so you find more of that type of thing in books.

I know a lot of people read fiction or watch television to "escape" and see something besides their home. I thought that the people would welcome something more "exotic," if Utah can be called exotic :D.
They are lucky that they didn't encounter a wild Mormon.
 
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Yeah, I do recall that he had a lot of historicals. I think that goes back to my budgetary point. Although, with more profit coming from American viewers, perhaps there will be more internationally-shot stories. I imagine that the UK fans of Indian descent might appreciate a story set in India.
 
So we are already complaining about series 6 when we have scene one half of a story? Impressive.

Also, filming the episode in America and explaining to a new audience what's going on in the Doctor Who universe is somehow "Americanizing" the show.

I've been trying to rationalise to myself as to why I put that it's pandering to American audiences. I'm sure I didn't start this whole Americanising of Who debarkal, but if I am, I am sorry and I'll try and explain why I put it as I've just watched The Impossible Planet again.

As a few others have said, it felt off. The two (or maybe three) points where a character asks "Doctor who?" felt jarring. I'm not well-versed in old Who, I've watched Earthshock recently and I remember a few stories on BBC2 in the 90s about Daleks and Giant Maggots and the like. I have watched all of nuwho though, enjoyed most of it and I loved season five. But the thing is, in the last 72 episodes before last night and nuwho returned, that happened once, maybe twice, it sure as hell hasn't happened two or three times in one 45 minute episode. So yes, maybe they were put there for the new viewers all over the planet, but because of the massive PR machine that's been in operation over in the States for the grand premier of Who being in America, it felt like pandering for that audience and not the British audience which should be the primary concern of the Production crew.

The Doctor Who? joke was made in the first episode of the first doctor and has appeared on and off every couple of years so people don't forget that he isn't called "Doctor Who." I'm pretty sure they had one with Matt Smith already and I seem to remember one or two with David Tennant. Having two was strange, but it doesn't dramatically affect the episode either way. Still, the first time was played for laughs, the other was just trying to explain the mystery of the Doctor.
 
Re: Complaining about "Americanization"

I think usually when people use the term "Americanize", they mean when a show starts to look and act a lot more like an American show (such as the new DW being heavily influenced by the faster, wittier, and more polished Buffy).
 
It's a comedy term called a "callback," when a joke is returned to later in the same material.
 
Re: Complaining about "Americanization"

Well, that's been true since it returned, no?

Also, the second most common complaint about the episode was that it was slow and there wasn't a lot of action, so that doesn't seem to make sense if it was "Americanized."
 
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I think complaints about "Americanization" are rooting in two things or in one of two things. 1. America is still the biggest economy in the world and the most powerful country in the world and a major exporter of its own culture through Hollywood, and that can generate fears of homogenization and a loss of cultural identity to American influences just by itself. After all, how many British fast food restaurants can be found on every street corner from New York to Beijing? 2. A minority of Britons are just prejudiced against Americans. I think most of the concerns are rooted in 1 rather than 2 -- most people aren't prejudiced against Americans, even if they dislike the U.S. government or U.S. businesses.

I'm curious as to why people feel that DW is being "Americanized?" They have had what, three stories set in the U.S. since 2005? Out of 40? How is that America taking over?

Fewer, actually -- the only episodes with significant scenes set in America before "The Impossible Astronaut" were "Dalek," "Daleks in Manhattan," "Evolution of the Daleks," and "The Stolen Earth." Of those, "The Stolen Earth" only had a few key scenes set in New York with Martha working for UNIT. So, really, only two stories actively set in America. (I suppose if we're being very liberal, we might encompass the existence of New New York in "New Earth" and "Gridlock," but I think that's getting a bit silly.)

Also: "The Impossible Astronaut" is the first episode of the revived Doctor Who set in America not to feature the Daleks! Go figure.

Daleks in Manhattan: For the Daleks' plan to work, they needed a structure like the Empire State Building, at the time the tallest skyscraper in the world. Set there for the story only.

Well, for the story and for the atmosphere. Those episodes were homages to American pulp stories.

We don't complain when America is portrayed negatively, such as the idiot president whom RTD just had to kill off

To be fair, the assassination of Arthur Coleman Winters was depicted as a bad thing, even if President-elect Winters himself was depicted as an American chauvinist. And, frankly, Winters's behavior wasn't completely unjustified -- Prime Minister "Saxon" had, in fact, violated international law by opening relations with an alien species unilaterally.

or the "Space American" couple on the Starship Titanic who wore tacky clothes and were morbidly obese.

I don't think those two were "Space Americans." They had British accents and used British idioms. They were more just "average" people, and they were portrayed in a positive light. There's a reason the Doctor sat down with them and proceeded to use the sonic screwdriver to play a practical joke on the people who had mocked them.

Also, I think it's important, for all that we Americans might be inclined to be upset at the show's sometimes-negative depiction of the U.S. government, to remember that the character of Captain Jack is clearly a much more positive representation of Americans. (Yes, yes, I know, he was born on another planet, but he's figuratively an American in the same way the Doctor and the Time Lords are figuratively British.)

We love the show and endure these jabs because we have felt that the show is just great. To get a single story that focuses on where we live is, I feel, just a bit of a thank you.

Yep. I think it's safe to say that, after six years, Doctor Who is catching on in the U.S. a bit, and the BBC is excited about that. Certainly they've sent Matt Smith and Karen Gillan to New York press events enough.

Yes, BBC America is now co-producing the show. BBCA is still a British company.

Well, BBC America co-produced "The Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon," the episodes filmed in America. I don't think it's permanently co-producing the entire show; it was only ever advertised as co-producing the American-filmed episodes back when they first announced they'd be filming in America.

Though, interesting trivia: This means that Doctor Who has now been co-produced by BBC Cymru Wales, the CBC (Series One), and by BBC America now.

Perhaps a nice shout-out from time to time would be fun, but this is an English show and English it should remain. You all have nothing to bother you.

Slight nitpick: Doctor Who is not an English show, Doctor Who is a British show. After all, it's written by a Scot and filmed in Wales. In the RTD era, it was written by a Welshman and starred a Scot. And the Doctor himself has had a Scottish accent in the past. I think it's clear that Doctor Who has more of a pan-British than a clearly English identity.
 
Not to mention the fact that it's only NATURAL (in a world where a TV show called "Doctor Who" doesn't exist) for people to put the "Who?" at the end. Frankly the surprising thing to me is that it doesn't happen EVERY time the Doctor introduces himself. lol

As for the OP, while I agree some of Moffat's episodes might be a bit tricky and confusing for some younger kids, I think that's far preferable to dumbing things down for them. And it's not like Classic Who couldn't be weird and grim and hard to follow at times.
 
I'm hating the series direction. I don't think DW can be an arced, confusing show and certainly hope it isn't going to go with the cheap gimmicks that LOST used to drag viewers in.

Lots of the kids don't seem to be liking it either, my mates son (6) was a huge fan but he prefers to watch the old episodes on Watch compared to Series 5/6 cause he finds them boring.
 
Doctor Who has had somewhat of an arc since Eccleston. Last season wasn't really any worse. They just have the crack show up at a couple of odd episodes and bring it back together. It's a little bit more than the Bad Wolf, but not dramatically different.

As for this season, how do we know? It's a two-parter.
 
I'm hating the series direction. I don't think DW can be an arced, confusing show and certainly hope it isn't going to go with the cheap gimmicks that LOST used to drag viewers in.
Hey, feel free to hate whatever you want, but adding some measure of continuity, recurring characters or season arcs to a show doesn't necessarily make it confusing or turn it into Lost.
 
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