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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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I've seen Coulter a few times on "Real Time." There's a glimmer of intelligence to her, and then she turns into a mouthpiece who says controversial things just....because. She's like O'Reilly but worse.

But "overwhelmed with immigrants" and "lights out for America?" What does that even mean? For people like me, who have deep personal ties to someone who has immigrated here from another country, stuff like this doesn't make any f---ing sense. Is "America" some Christian, barn-stomping, non-stop State Fair with all you can eat pork rinds and white faces as far as the eye can see? What year are these people living in? And who built the US if not for immigrants? I truly do not get it. I've been hearing it for years and it's nothing but an excuse for racism.

Of course, I know that's obvious. I guess that's stupid of me for thinking they can even acknowledge reality and what they see outside.
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As for what she says about a Trump defeat meaning the end of the GOP....no. I don't think it will be. We need political discourse in this country, and half the country is conservative. But since 2009 they have thrown the book out of the window on their platforms and gone increasingly wing-nut crazy. If it doesn't work with Trump, I don't see how they can go even FURTHER right. If he loses, lock the crazies up in the asylum again, and do what they said they'd do in 2012...rework their ideology. Put the fringe candidates back out on the fringe and stop giving them a front seat.

As a liberal guy, of course I'd like it all to go away. But it's not going away anytime soon. If it shifts, the shift will take a few decades.
 
I've seen Coulter a few times on "Real Time." There's a glimmer of intelligence to her, and then she turns into a mouthpiece who says controversial things just....because. She's like O'Reilly but worse.

But "overwhelmed with immigrants" and "lights out for America?" What does that even mean? For people like me, who have deep personal ties to someone who has immigrated here from another country, stuff like this doesn't make any f---ing sense. Is "America" some Christian, barn-stomping, non-stop State Fair with all you can eat pork rinds and white faces as far as the eye can see? What year are these people living in? And who built the US if not for immigrants? I truly do not get it. I've been hearing it for years and it's nothing but an excuse for racism.

Of course, I know that's obvious. I guess that's stupid of me for thinking they can even acknowledge reality and what they see outside.
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As for what she says about a Trump defeat meaning the end of the GOP....no. I don't think it will be. We need political discourse in this country, and half the country is conservative. But since 2009 they have thrown the book out of the window on their platforms and gone increasingly wing-nut crazy. If it doesn't work with Trump, I don't see how they can go even FURTHER right. If he loses, lock the crazies up in the asylum again, and do what they said they'd do in 2012...rework their ideology. Put the fringe candidates back out on the fringe and stop giving them a front seat.

As a liberal guy, of course I'd like it all to go away. But it's not going away anytime soon. If it shifts, the shift will take a few decades.


Till this year I had not followed much of US politics and the GOP well it's "interesting" indeed...

I don't know about how much further to the right they can go but yeah that's a point worth noting. Just how far can they go?
 
I've seen Coulter a few times on "Real Time." There's a glimmer of intelligence to her, and then she turns into a mouthpiece who says controversial things just....because. She's like O'Reilly but worse.

Phony characters masquerading as real people are no longer limited to "reality" TV shows and now turn up regularly in real life. Coulter is one of them. Sarah Palin is another. Donald Trump may be the most successful of them ever. And he may be ahead of his time, this could be the first clickbait election.
 
Ignorant of what? Name-calling reply is name-calling. lol
Apparently, shamefully ignorant about the entire set of principles behind how the adversarial system of jurisprudence actually works. Maybe go back and watch "Measure of a Man" again to refresh your memory of what ACTUAL ethical behavior is. To wit: Riker was called to act as Prosecutor. He didn't believe in the case, but he didn't hold back, either. He did everything he could to win, because that is his JOB. That is how the system is SUPPOSED to work. EVEN if you believe/know your client is guilty, doing anything less than working to the best of your abilities to get them off/get them the most lenient sentence available/plea them down is unethical.
 
Apparently, shamefully ignorant about the entire set of principles behind how the adversarial system of jurisprudence actually works. Maybe go back and watch "Measure of a Man" again to refresh your memory of what ACTUAL ethical behavior is. To wit: Riker was called to act as Prosecutor. He didn't believe in the case, but he didn't hold back, either. He did everything he could to win, because that is his JOB. That is how the system is SUPPOSED to work. EVEN if you believe/know your client is guilty, doing anything less than working to the best of your abilities to get them off/get them the most lenient sentence available/plea them down is unethical.
Shamefully...:hugegrin:

I think what I am pointing out is that legal ethics doesn't always coincide with what individuals believe is really ethical. Hillary's case in particular is an example of why many people sometimes look down on defense attorneys.

Also, was Hillary exhibiting legal ethics when she admitted the guilt of her client in that interview?
 
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But would you shag her?

eww no...she is not hot...craziness does things to your face

What the actual fuck?
Where did that come from?

Wow, great... I have zero love for Ann Coulter but as a woman I find it pretty upsetting and disgusting to see you guys reducing yet another woman to her looks, passing judgement and only caring about whether she'd give you sexual satisfaction.

Jesus... way to objectify and dehumanize us. :(
Man, sometimes I just really don't know what we can do...

I come to this forum to talk Trek and other things with people and what do I get to see? This stuff. It's everywhere and you guys don't even realize how it makes women feel. Or you don't give a shit. :(
 
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But would you shag her?
As Emilia has explained above, this kind of remark is totally uncalled for. Since you haven't been warned for this before, I'll let this go with a verbal warning this time, but don't do it again.

ETA: This applies to Jeff's post as well.
 
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As Emilia has explained above, this kind of remark is totally uncalled for. Since you haven't been warned for this before, I'll let this go with a verbal warning this time, but don't do it again.

ETA: This applies to Jeff's post as well.


Yes apologies to everyone and especially Emilia... Hindsight is perfect when the event has passed. I won't do that again.
 
a good deal if you consider what happened in Germany, 2 generations ago. But it started eerily similarly and to be honest that gives me the creeps. What really scares me, though, is that all over the world there's an increasing drift towards the right political spectrum (which in this case is definitely the wrong one, if you'll pardon the pun).
On the whole, the upcoming US-election seems to me to be very much like elections in my own country have been for the last decades: a matter of choosing the lesser evil. In this case Clinton.
 
this thread is going to go swimmingly

unlike this election, which might just go to shit
 
a good deal if you consider what happened in Germany, 2 generations ago. But it started eerily similarly and to be honest that gives me the creeps. What really scares me, though, is that all over the world there's an increasing drift towards the right political spectrum (which in this case is definitely the wrong one, if you'll pardon the pun).
On the whole, the upcoming US-election seems to me to be very much like elections in my own country have been for the last decades: a matter of choosing the lesser evil. In this case Clinton.

And what is driving this push to the right?

Which I also think is very wrong
 
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