SometimesAt least they used "brown people"
SometimesAt least they used "brown people"
Give credit where credit is due, at least they used "brown people"
Granted that my sample set is not large, all three off the "Used to practice the Sikh religion but doesn't any more" people I know refer to themselves as Pakistani, not Sikh. But to be sure, those people have reasons to avoid using the label that others might not.Well, kind of, but Sikhs, like Jews or Amish, are considered an ethnic community as well as a religious one. You can be a member of the community, have it as your heritage, while choosing not to practice the faith.
Spain is in Europe. "White" usually means of European ancestry. But it's often in the eye of the beholder. National, ethnic and religious backgrounds can change perception. Jews, the Irish and Poles have been excluded from being "White" for various reasons.Granted that my sample set is not large, all three off the "Used to practice the Sikh religion but doesn't any more" people I know refer to themselves as Pakistani, not Sikh. But to be sure, those people have reasons to avoid using the label that others might not.
The boundaries of these things are certainly fuzzy. Are people from Spain "white?" I worked with a Castilian woman who could've passed for my sister - and with a German/Swedish/English/Scots heritage, I'm certainly "white" - who was emphatic that she was not "white." And they change. In 1890, Germans were sufficiently "not white" that when the Manitoba Schools Act more-or-less accidentally allowed German-speaking communities to form their own German-speaking schools, it almost broke Confederation. Today, no-one doubts that Leon Draisatl is "white."
Y'know, I had a point when I started this post but I've lost it now. Definitely getting old...
Granted that my sample set is not large, all three off the "Used to practice the Sikh religion but doesn't any more" people I know refer to themselves as Pakistani, not Sikh. But to be sure, those people have reasons to avoid using the label that others might not.
In my Mission: Impossible book, a couple of people go out of their way to praise Joseph Gantman, who produced the first two seasons, for going above and beyond to cast ethnic actors in roles that called for specific ethnicity, instead of slapping makeup on white actors.
Stanley Kallis, who produced parts of the third and fourth season, said Gantman had an eye for character actors that he didn't have, and that he, unfortunately, would fall into the stereotype of casting white actors and putting makeup on them.
Spain is in Europe. "White" usually means of European ancestry. But it's often in the eye of the beholder. National, ethnic and religious backgrounds can change perception. Jews, the Irish and Poles have been excluded from being "White" for various reasons.
Khan never called himself Sikh either. Only Marla did.

Also the name Singh, probably.the whole business about Khan being a Sikh came from just one line of dialogue in "Space Seed" and was never even mentioned in The Wrath of Khan.
Whatever Khan is, it seems like a safe bet to say that he wasn't supposed to be a pasty white Brit.I confess I was a bit bemused that everyone got quite so upset about Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan
I used to suspect his was an assumed name combing powerful names from across human cultures. So he could be a Brit, a Spaniard or an actual Sikh. Could have called himself Genghis Washington Caesar.Also the name Singh, probably.
Whatever Khan is, it seems like a safe bet to say that he wasn't supposed to be a pasty white Brit.
Also the name Singh, probably.
Whatever Khan is, it seems like a safe bet to say that he wasn't supposed to be a pasty white Brit.

They didn't even bother with altering his skin tone. He was just Khan. From somewhere.Indeed. I confess I was a bit bemused that everyone got quite so upset about Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan -- "He's supposed to be a Sikh!" -- even though the whole business about Khan being a Sikh came from just one line of dialogue in "Space Seed" and was never even mentioned in The Wrath of Khan.
Oh please! talk about a racist comment. Generalize much?Of all the ethnic labels, "white" is probably the nastiest one, because it's generally defined on the basis of whom it excludes.
Indeed. I confess I was a bit bemused that everyone got quite so upset about Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan -- "He's supposed to be a Sikh!" -- even though the whole business about Khan being a Sikh came from just one line of dialogue in "Space Seed" and was never even mentioned in The Wrath of Khan.
It was strange, though, how folks on the internet kept suggesting actors like Benecio del Tor or Antonio Banderas, confusing Montalban's actual ethnicity with the character's ethnicity.
"Khan has to be an East Indian played by a Hispanic actor!"![]()
Oh please! talk about a racist comment.
Is it? I can't imagine if this comment was said about any other race that it would be acceptable, but since it is about the white race; it is ok; I find that truly bizarre no matter your race. I am glad I don't have a mindset that I generalize people on account of their race but rather the individual personalities. Seems the future is further out than I imaged it would be when I thought about it as a kid.Critiquing one's own ethnic group is not racist. It's self-effacing.
Not the first time that happened with him, either. I give you Joshua Logan's 1957 film Sayonara:Worse was putting him in prosthetic eye makeup in Hawaii Five-O to play a Japanese crime boss.
Different kind of "Indian" though.Putting Montalban in brown face to be an Indian on Star Trek wouldn't be the first or last time he'd be cast in that role. Bonanza and Gunsmoke did the same with him
jeepers
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