Who has done a TOS E cross-section?

[yotsuya]

Yotsuya,

There are other images. Some of them are visible in the composite I posted.

The image you just posted has a bit of distortion which is easy to quantify. Look at the line near the bottom of the frame. This is a dimensional callout. By nature and function, this line was perfectly straight on the drawing. You'll notice that it curves just at the same point where the "guppy belly" seems to be drawn into the hull. Both lines are being distorted by the same amount. The curve is indeed there, but it is less than the image would seem to indicate. Look at that same line in my image. It is a straight baseline. Take the secondary hull from my composite and mirror it as a separate layer. Align the center line. You will find the hull is symmetrical. When you harmonize this image with several others, you end up with a much truer idea of the intended geometry.

M.

I'm quite familiar with extracting plans from photos. There are lots of fun variables. A couple of times I've had a poor quality scan and higher quality photos. I was able to up Richard Taylors Refit Enterprise drawings that way. The last one was one of the set plans for TOS. Badly folded so I had to cut it up. But no one has scanned it yet so it was worth the effort.

The original plans of the Enterprise are gold in comparison. It would be cool to put all the pieces together that exist and align it over the common dimensions of the 33" and 11' models. Shaw did one like that, but it seems there are more pieces than he used.

 

[publiusr]

You can get happy accidents on occasion. Some artifacts you may want to keep

As an aside to model makers rubber gladhand seals from trailer airlines make nice greebles as do drip-proof plugs btw.

I have often wondered if industrial parts inspired bits on the Enterprise…

 

[yotsuya]

I was just exploring some of the photos of the 33 inch model and made an interesting discovery. It's secondary hull is NOT the same shape as the 11 foot model. I was specifically looking for the slight indent in the shape just behind the neck and I found it, but I also found that the back flares out at about the pylons. So that little bit that Jefferies drew on his plans is there on the 33 inch model, but not just on the bottom and not as much. I'm guessing that Datin took measurements off the drawing and turned the shape on the lathe to the right linear dimension at each point. This means the hanger on the 33 inch model is wider than the 11 foot model (if they were in the same scale). Also, the bridge was cut down on the 33 inch model as well when Star Trek went to series. While there aren't any good profile photos of it in its original configuration, there is a good photo of Nimoy holding it with sufficient shadows to show the larger bridge.

 

[publiusr]

That's interesting.

So which has the longest secondary hul--were all the models at the same scale---I think the 3 footer does.

 

[aridas sofia]

That's interesting.

So which has the longest secondary hul--were all the models at the same scale---I think the 3 footer does.

The way it was sometimes drawn in TAS had the longest secondary hull by far, though that is not being considered here, it is an onscreen TOS Enterprise.

 

[publiusr]

My favorite too. It also deserves comparison orthos—and yes…I know it was just the 11 footer rotoscoped…still…I want orthos of that unique 3/4 view.

Speaking of rotoscoping…that was done with the Filmation Flash Gordon rocket…wonder where that model went.

 

[Redfern]

Speaking of rotoscoping…that was done with the Filmation Flash Gordon rocket…wonder where that model went.

It went to Mongo, of course.

 

[Maurice]

I love Shaw's work here:
http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/What_If.pdf

http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/What_If.pdf

Does anyone else get this?


Looks like the domain registration lapsed.

 

[publiusr]

First Photobucket pulls a Martin Shkreli, then Deviant Art won’t come up on my libraries’ computers—now this?

AUGHH!

 

[yotsuya]

Does anyone else get this?
View attachment 24106

Looks like the domain registration lapsed.

try The Wayback Machine internet archive. Or just ask Shaw himself.

 

[Maurice]

I was asking if anyone else saw the same thing at that link. I don’t need a lesson in the Wayback Machine.

 

[blssdwlf]

@Maurice - I see the same notice about the expiration.

 

[Maurice]

Hopefully @Shaw is aware of the domain lapse.

 

[caveat_imperator]

try The Wayback Machine internet archive. Or just ask Shaw himself.

The Internet Archive is temporarily offline at the moment. What luck. :/

 

[publiusr]

I am so glad I print everything…except anything on Deviant Art.

It’s my Mom’s ghost guys. When I tried to hide my AMT from my cousin that broke it…she was the one that made me let him play with it and brought it up to him. I watched too much tele’ (something she loved to mention over the years). The night she passed away my tv quit.

My lady friend’s mom heard me grousing about how every damn water leak I had seemed to know right where to head to ruin books and papers…and piped up with me “over-valuing” them too much…as the anti-“hoarders” do when talking about someone else’s property…but that was before her place sustained a fire.

We trekkies are hard luck cases…nothing breaks our way…it just-breaks.

Now if someone can devise a manned mission to the afterlife…I promise to get a baseball bat with Nth metal barbed wire and go full Negan on whatever spirit asshole is doing all this.

Who wants to be Tulip and Cassidy? Or Jesse…I don’t have the hair for that role…just Walker Colts….

 

[Tallguy]

We trekkies are hard luck cases…nothing breaks our way…it just-breaks.

Um. It's 2021. Star Trek was cancelled in 1969. 52 years ago. Since then there have been 13 movies. With three different casts. There have been, um... eight TV series. (TAS + Berman (4) + Disco + Lower Decks + Picard... Have I missed any?) And I'm not counting the TWO that are in production.

I bet Firefly fans wish they were this hard luck.

 

[Firebird]

Um. It's 2021. Star Trek was cancelled in 1969. 52 years ago. Since then there have been 13 movies. With three different casts. There have been, um... eight TV series. (TAS + Berman (4) + Disco + Lower Decks + Picard... Have I missed any?) And I'm not counting the TWO that are in production.

I bet Firefly fans wish they were this hard luck.

I don't think that's quite how publiusr intended that statement to read - pretty sure it was just a joke.

 

[publiusr]

Yep..just lamenting all the art that has disappeared…Shaw’s site down…etc.
Prodigy can get new blood into fandom…

 

[Shaw]

Hopefully @Shaw is aware of the domain lapse.

I know now... sorry, I don't get on the net very often. It should be fixed soon.

 

[MGagen]

For those entertaining thoughts of what Matt Jefferies had in mind for the hangar deck, here's a new data point you may not have seen:

I've been preparing a restoration of the original construction blueprint and I couldn't resist placing these three views next to each other.

The top view features a detail I didn't appreciate when I first saw it. Although the miniatures weren't built with this feature, it appears Jefferies envisioned the interior of the hangar deck to be available for detailing on the model. Perhaps he wanted the option to be able to have the doors open ?

At any rate, here is more evidence that he intended the actual interior to be cylindrical, not conical. Obviously he meant it to extend no further forward than the aft of the pylons and for there to be space behind the walls for those side pockets to lead to.

Discuss...

M.