Which Star Trek Productions are in the Same Alternate Universes as Others?

The franchise title should be enough to dictate an even more simple "one universe, keep it tidy like how a library keeps all its books organized and different yet part of the same theme but without tripping over each other." 90s Trek succeeded for a while but as everyone knows, too much continuity ends up doing more to entrap the franchise than to expand it. It's inevitable. So how it's broken, in terms of content and the deftness of, are as crucial as they are relevant when enlarging the franchise's universe.

As clever as the alt-timeline was when devised for 2009, it's no different than taking "Mirror Mirror" and turning it into a full-blown Trek series that's different apart from a few superficial similarities and name.

After all, when you have a Big Mac, you don't swap the meat with fillet made from (a mercury-laden minnow) and still call it the same thing. That's as dumb as it is as simple. Or you don't replace the Teletubbies with the band members of Poison and hawk it as the same thing. Because it isn't, unless there's reasonable continuity. Or for another analogy, it's reading a 15 page book but chapter 8 changes all the characters for no reason but redoes all the same plots (sorta like a fair amount of early-TNG, like "The Naked Now". It's mostly in hindsight any of us who likes any 2 seconds of the episode will try to defend it in any way, and I have, but the fact remains they were swapping prime cow patty for guppy fodder and pretending it's related. )

Back to the library theme, we all know full well each section of the non-fiction section has books that will flatly contradict one another. QED prevailing, maybe it just doesn't matter either way and the next Trek show can be a remake of Jerry Springer, Maury (that'll help with Kirk), and Baywatch. Just slap the same brand name on it and everyone will flock back, surely.

 

Or did it....

 

We are in the same timeline as Star Trek....
.... the mirror universe timeline, that is.

None of that quasi-Utopia post-socialist stuff for us, oh no, it's agony booths and enslavement that await poor humans in our future.

Isn't it enough to make getting up in the morning and struggling through life before we die all feel worth it?

 

One of the old Shatner novels revealed that the Mirrorverse was the "control" universe and Prime was the one the Preservers had been manipulating for centuries...

 

At the moment, it's easier to imagine the MU/ENT version of the Vulcan arrival taking place, rather than the Prime/GEN version of handshaking and sharing a beer.

 

First Contact is definitely set in the same timeline as Star Trek 09 because the Millenium Falcon gate crashes the battle with the Borg and then gets sucked down the timehole after which R2D2 is ejected into space, floats around for a couple of centuries and then joins the battle fleet going to Vulcan to intercept Nero, except the ship he was on blows up and he is ejected into space again. And again. And he names a planet Alderaan at some point too, I guess.

 

Many Bothans died to bring us this information.

 

This thread, and especially my post number 44, is mentioned in my post number 18 in the thread: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/wha...-with-all-the-timelines.302841/#post-13245389

And also in my post # 12 in the thred: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/androids-in-tos.303330/

 

Yesterday, 04-27-2020, I saw the short Trek "Ephraim and Dot", dealing with a conflict between a tardigrade named Ephraim trying to lay their eggs in the Enterprise 1701 engine room and a robot named dot.

The conflict between Ephraim and Dot seems to take just a few minutes of fictional time, and there are very few times when there could have been time jumps between scenes, but also seems to cover the 15 years between "Space Seed" and "The Naked Time" and Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, son the passage of time for Ephraim and Dot may somehow be different compared to the passage of time for the crew aboard the Enterprise.

The tardigrade Ephraim encounters scenes from

1) "Space Seed"

2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"

3) "The Naked Time"

4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"

5) "The Doomsday Machine"

6) "The Tholian Web"

7) "The Savage Curtain"

8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

and

9) Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, in that order.

The three most popular orders of the fictional events in Star Trek are original airdate order, production order, and stardate order.

In original airdate order they are:

4 "The Naked Time" 29 September 1966

22 "Space Seed" 16 February 1967

31 "Who Mourns for Adonais?" 22 September 1967

35 "The Doomsday Machine" 20 October 1967

44 "The Trouble With Tribbles" 18 December 1967

64 "The Tholian Web" 15 November 1968

77 "The Savage Curtain" 7 March 1969

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, 4 June 1982

Star Trek III: The Search For Spock 1 June 1984.

In production order they are:

7 "The Naked Time"

25 "Space Seed"

34 "Who Mourns for Adonais?"

36 "The Doomsday Machine"

43 "The Trouble With Tribbles"

65 "The Tholian Web"

78 "The Savage Curtain"

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, 9 November 1981-29 January 1982

Star Trek III: The Search For Spock 15 August 1983-20 October 1983

In stardate order they are:

"The Naked Time" 1704.2

"Who Mourns for Adonais?" 2458.1

"Space Seed" 3141.9

"The Doomsday Machine" 4202.9

"The Trouble With Tribbles" 4523.3

"The Tholian Web" 5693.2

"The Savage Curtain" 5906.4

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, 8130.3

Star Trek III: The Search For Spock 8210.3

So the airdate order and production order are the same, but the stardate order is different from them. And none of them agree with the order in which the scenes are shown in "Ephraim and Dot".

Therefore, in a fictional universe which includes "Ephraim and Dot" there are two possibilities:

One) The scenes from TOS episodes and movies are not always shown in the order that they actually happened in. We can be certain that "Space Seed", Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. and Star Trek III: The Search For Spock happen in that order. But we can't be certain that the relative order of the other episodes and movies is the same as in airdate order, production order, stardate order, or the order they were seen in "Ephraim and Dot". If "Eprhraim and Dot" possibly has distorted time or our of order sequences, then one popular order, either airdate order, or production order, or stardate order, could possibly be correct, while the others could not.

Two) those episodes and movies all happen in the order that they were glimpsed in "Ephraim and Dot". Which means that they don't happen in airdate order, or in production order, or in stardate order, That possibility would undermine a lot of chronologies.

If all the TNG era productions are sequels to Star trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, as seems likely, and if Star trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is a sequel to Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. and Star Trek III: The Search For Spock as seems likely, all the TNG era productions should also be sequels to each of the TOS episodes glimpsed in "Ephraim and Dot": "Space Seed", "The Trouble With Tribbles", "The Naked Time", "Who Mourns for Adonais?","The Doomsday Machine", "The Tholian Web", and "the Savage Curtain" in one order or another.

Since events in "The Tholian Web" and "the Empath" are mentioned in "Turnabout Intruder", it is possible that "Turnabout Intruder" is thus a sequel to each of the TOS episodes glimpsed in "Ephraim and Dot": "Space Seed", "The Trouble With Tribbles", "The Naked Time", "Who Mourns for Adonais?","The Doomsday Machine", "The Tholian Web", and "Teh Savage Curtain", in one order or another. However, it is possible, but not necessary, for "Ephraim and Dot" and the TNG era productions to be sequels to "The Empath" and "Turnabout Intruder". It is possible that "Ephraim and Dot" and "Turnabout Intruder" are in alternate universes which diverged sometime after "The Tholian Web"

 

The shows either film or t.v. are in the same universe. The ones I haven't seen or not been made yet are not

 

The episodes I liked happened. The ones I didn't like didn't.

 

Star Trek V clearly happened in a universe where they forgot to mention how both a 23rd century Federation starship and a Klingon Bird-of-Prey can reach the center of the galaxy so quickly without access to a wormhole or spore hub drive technology.

 

I occur in my own universe.